Muslims have gone too far

She has to listen to the Spin Doctors Greatest Hits and get back to us on that.

Just remember that the KKK is an equal threat to radical Islam in this day and age. No I'm not being sarcastic! There are 6000 KKK members in the world! And they've gone global.

Yeah...I'm being sarcastic. Maybe those of you who believed the comparison was warranted should do the rest of us a favor and kill yourself.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

what are you talking about? 97% of Pakistani's are Muslim. I just threw out a country, I could have easily replaced it with:

Iran
Iraq
Afghanistan
Syria
Lebenon
Saudi Arabia
Turkey
Yemen
Palestine

etc, etc.

You go ahead and stick with classifying millions of people in multiple countries as "terrorists" based upon a generalized religious affiliation. I won't.

What did you think of the guy in that video link I posted?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Please, let us know how Radical Muslims are not terrorists in "your world" (a place I am very happy to not be a part of)

Let us know how all Muslims are terrorists in your world. A place many of us are happy not to be a part of.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Let us know how all Muslims are terrorists in your world. A place many of us are happy not to be a part of.

are you this fucl<ing ridiculous. please read my prior post again so you can stop fucl<ing talking for me.



I've never said all muslims are terrorists, so dont put words in my mouth bitc.h.

No I dont believe all muslims are radical. You seem to feel like there are only a "few". If "few" means millions, than I may agree. The estimates are that there are approx 1 billion Muslims in the world. The VAST majority are good Muslims (eventhough they still treat women like dog crap).

" Gallup conducted tens of thousands of hour-long, face-to-face interviews with residents of more than thirty-five predominantly Muslim countries between 2001 and 2007. It found that – contrary to the prevailing perception in the west that the actions of al-Qaida enjoy wide support in the Muslim world – more than 90% of respondents condemned the killing of non-combatants on religious and humanitarian grounds [156] "


Looking at these generalized numbers, it would be safe to say that 10% of the Muslim population is radical. Thats 100,000 million people, or 1/3 of the population of the United States, that think terrorists attacks are good things.

Thats a scary high amount of people. So yes, the majority of Muslims are not like that. But a ton of people are.

I have absolutely no respect for that religion, even if they had 0% terrorists, because women are treated with less respect than dogs. This world would be a much better place if mythical Muhommed had never been written about.


Does 10% equal ALL to you? can you read?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

She has to listen to the Spin Doctors Greatest Hits and get back to us on that.

Just remember that the KKK is an equal threat to radical Islam in this day and age. No I'm not being sarcastic! There are 6000 KKK members in the world! And they've gone global.

Yeah...I'm being sarcastic. Maybe those of you who believed the comparison was warranted should do the rest of us a favor and kill yourself.

I do believe its a good comparison. Not at all on the same scale of course, and willingness to kill yourself is not seen in KKK members.. but the hate that both groups have is a good comparison. I just wish there were only 6,000 radical Muslims instead of 100 million.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Let us know how all Muslims are terrorists in your world. A place many of us are happy not to be a part of.

and you still didnt answer my question about why you feel Radicals are not terrorists.

About your video, I didnt watch it. Cant watch video's on the computer I am using.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

She has to listen to the Spin Doctors Greatest Hits and get back to us on that.

Just remember that the KKK is an equal threat to radical Islam in this day and age. No I'm not being sarcastic! There are 6000 KKK members in the world! And they've gone global.

Yeah...I'm being sarcastic. Maybe those of you who believed the comparison was warranted should do the rest of us a favor and kill yourself.

That would be an excellent point if anyone had actually tried to make that claim. "Over the years," does not equal "in this day and age."

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Looking at these generalized numbers, it would be safe to say that 10% of the Muslim population is radical.

"Safe to say" ?? Yeah, sure. One good broad generalization begets another, especially when it concerns a religion one has "absolutely no respect for."

" are you this fucl<ing ridiculous." ??

I'm not drinking the anti-Muslim hate kool-aid. But you guys keep pouring for each other.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

That would be an excellent point if anyone had actually tried to make that claim. "Over the years," does not equal "in this day and age."

You would have to go back to the 1920's to compare and even then you would look like an imbecile. There is no comparison to radical Islam and the KKK.

The KKK was national with a dash of Canadia. Radical Islam is worldwide and killing far more people than the KKK ever did.

It's like comparing the Chicago Bulls during Jordan's era to the Washington Generals.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

and you still didnt answer my question about why you feel Radicals are not terrorists.

About your video, I didnt watch it. Cant watch video's on the computer I am using.

Radicals can beget terrorists, but simply being radical doesn't make one a terrorist. That's apparent from our own home-grown radicals. The hate talk and inciting rhetoric calling for action might even include death threats, but it doesn't force one to take the final step of becoming a terrorist.

I'm sure that video has made it into the news today, with descriptions.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

"Safe to say" ?? Yeah, sure. One good broad generalization begets another, especially when it concerns a religion one has "absolutely no respect for."

" are you this fucl<ing ridiculous." ??

I'm not drinking the anti-Muslim hate kool-aid. But you guys keep pouring for each other.

" Gallup conducted tens of thousands of hour-long, face-to-face interviews with residents of more than thirty-five predominantly Muslim countries between 2001 and 2007. It found that – contrary to the prevailing perception in the west that the actions of al-Qaida enjoy wide support in the Muslim world – more than 90% of respondents condemned the killing of non-combatants on religious and humanitarian grounds [156] "


No I have no respect for anyone who treats women like ****.. you apparantly think its all good. I have no respect for the Old Testiment that allows you to have slaves and treat women like property. I have absolutely no respect for the Qu'ran whose profit was a PEDOPHILE.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

You would have to go back to the 1920's to compare and even then you would look like an imbecile. There is no comparison to radical Islam and the KKK.

The KKK was national with a dash of Canadia. Radical Islam is worldwide and killing far more people than the KKK ever did.

It's like comparing the Chicago Bulls during Jordan's era to the Washington Generals.

Even then, you're still arguing against a straw man that you've created to argue against, not a point that anyone actually made as far as I can tell.

Riot or Antitrust never said anything about the scope being the same. Killing because someone believes that a deity or holy book implores them to is the point, which is a perfectly valid point. If someone starts claiming that the scope is the same, then you're all set and should be able to just copy/paste the things you're posting right now, as they'll come in handy when someone actually starts having that discussion.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Radicals can beget terrorists, but simply being radical doesn't make one a terrorist. That's apparent from our own home-grown radicals. The hate talk and inciting rhetoric calling for action might even include death threats, but it doesn't force one to take the final step of becoming a terrorist.

I'm sure that video has made it into the news today, with descriptions.

to me that is the same as being a terrorist. to each his/her own.

and I have the same respect for the person in this video as I do for a Muslim radical. Just because I feel one way about a certain group doesnt mean I dont feel the same way about ALL people who are all about destruction.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Even then, you're still arguing against a straw man that you've created to argue against, not a point that anyone actually made as far as I can tell.

Riot or Antitrust never said anything about the scope being the same. Killing because someone believes that a deity or holy book implores them to is the point, which is a perfectly valid point. If someone starts claiming that the scope is the same, then you're all set and should be able to just copy/paste the things you're posting right now, as they'll come in handy when someone actually starts having that discussion.

Radical Muslims = KKK = Crusades = Nazi's = Stalin = Catholic Priests who molest kids = all shi.tbags.

different scales, same hate.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Even then, you're still arguing against a straw man that you've created to argue against, not a point that anyone actually made as far as I can tell.

Riot or Antitrust never said anything about the scope being the same. Killing because someone believes that a deity or holy book implores them to is the point, which is a perfectly valid point. If someone starts claiming that the scope is the same, then you're all set and should be able to just copy/paste the things you're posting right now, as they'll come in handy when someone actually starts having that discussion.

It was a comparison of a mostly regional hate group to a worldwide movement of radical Islam.

It was a blatant attempt at downplaying what's going on RIGHT NOW in the world we live in.

When the KKK gets influence and in some aspects complete control of governments like radical Islam has then get back to me with the B.S. comparison/downplay.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

It was a comparison of a mostly regional hate group to a worldwide movement of radical Islam.

I'm not sure everyone is reading it that way, since it was a comparison of people who kill because they claim that their religion tells them to...the scope is irrelevant to such a comparison -- in fact, of the four people talking about this right now, you're the only one who read it that way. I know it's Riot, so a question of giving her the benefit of the doubt is entirely out of the question by default, but it seems like a bit of a stretch to take the words she wrote and extend them into the argument you claim those words were making.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Riot

Wrong. You might notice the very public response of many Muslim groups in the US to terrorism.

Yes, it only took a few: terrorists - not everyone sharing that religion.

Why continue to ignore that nearly every homegrown US terrorist over the past 25 years has killed us (fellow citizens) in the name of Christ?

Yeah, those American citizen Christians have to speak out, they are all terrorists in the name of their God until proven otherwise.

There are plenty of loud and proud Muslims. Of course, it's difficult to be that in the USA, even for Muslim USA citizens, due to the blanket bigotry and hatred displayed here against them by their fellow citizens.

No Im not wrong , you dont see boycotts or protesting happening , you see words on a page nothing more. If the governments that harbor terrorists and the civilians who are against terrorism were to be louder and prouder maybe just maybe then I would accept that the opposition that some proclaim was real . A Pakastani military officer knew of the plan to set of a bomb in Time's square did he say anything ???? No he just let it roll off his back and the Pakastani military is supposed to be on our side when it comes to terrorism. Dont you remember when 9/11 happened they showed footage from Middle Eastern countries of people rejoicing in the streets that a whole bunch of Americans just died? I dont hate anyone but I hate the things people do and as for the our homegrown terrorists I think we have done a pretty good job of quelling that situation . As for anyone who kills in the name of Christ or any diety they believe in are just really sh.itty people who are so weak minded that they cant recognize right and wrong.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I'm not sure everyone is reading it that way, since it was a comparison of people who kill because they claim that their religion tells them to...the scope is irrelevant to such a comparison -- in fact, of the four people talking about this right now, you're the only one who read it that way. I know it's Riot, so a question of giving her the benefit of the doubt is entirely out of the question by default, but it seems like a bit of a stretch to take the words she wrote and extend them into the argument you claim those words were making.

It was downplaying of what's going on in today's world, Brian. The KKK is practically disbanded now.

The law of averages are going to show that most, if not all, religions have hate groups. That's not the issue.

The issue in this thread is Muslim hate groups. There are far more dangerous hate groups on that side of the fence than Christians.

When you compare the two present day...which one is making waves globally? Which one has tech savvy people at their disposal? Which one has a higher number of lost souls willing to die for the cause?

The fact that the first Christian hate group mentioned is the KKK should put some perspective into the dire situation we're facing today. Muslim extremists make the KKK look like slapdicks.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

It was downplaying of what's going on in today's world, Brian. The KKK is practically disbanded now.

The law of averages are going to show that most, if not all, religions have hate groups. That's not the issue.

The issue in this thread is Muslim hate groups. There are far more dangerous hate groups on that side of the fence than Christians.

When you compare the two present day...which one is making waves globally? Which one has tech savvy people at their disposal? Which one has a higher number of lost souls willing to die for the cause?

The fact that the first Christian hate group mentioned is the KKK should put some perspective into the dire situation we're facing today. Muslim extremists make the KKK look like slapdicks.

Well then you and I, and others, certainly read the original post differently, because I still think you're making a big leap to connect the original post to the mostly salient points you're making now.

Nothing about that leap makes the points you're making incorrect, or the type that I even necessarily disagree with when we're talking about scope -- but as far as I can tell, it's a conversation that you introduced to this thread, not Riot, because you two are not talking about the same thing at all. The fact that the scope is greater now doesn't invalidate her original post in any way about people of all religions using their religion to justify that. These two conversations are not mutually exclusive.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Well then you and I, and others, certainly read the original post differently, because I still think you're making a big leap to connect the original post to the mostly salient points you're making now.

Nothing about that leap makes the points you're making incorrect, or the type that I even necessarily disagree with when we're talking about scope -- but as far as I can tell, it's a conversation that you introduced to this thread, not Riot, because you two are not talking about the same thing at all. The fact that the scope is greater now doesn't invalidate her original post in any way about people of all religions using their religion to justify that. These two conversations are not mutually exclusive.

From this post...

Originally Posted by Riot

So which is it? He's "fairly popular" or "I don't know" exactly how popular he is?

Considering all the the people of Muslim faith that condemned OBL at the time - and continue to, and continue to condemn terrorist acts - you don't seem to have much support for your guess.



You might try reading the Koran - where it says absolutely one will not commit murder. Or maybe the part about Jesus- yeah, that Jesus - being a revered prophet.

Or maybe try to learn about religions - how all religions (including the "Christian" ones) have differing and various sects that follow and believe vastly different things. For example, there is that American one that has killed thousands of people over the years in the name of God, with their God's support, 'cause the bible told them to ... oh yeah, the KKK.



As long as they keep quiet and hide their religion from the hate of some of their fellow Americans, the fellow Americans that presume "they" are all killing terrorists because they happen to be of a certain religion others fear and misunderstand.

How can I not jump to a conclusion that is more than likely right after that last paragraph?

So Muslims can't practice their religion in America freely? There are worship centers all over KENTUCKY FOR ****S SAKE!!