I Feel Badly For......

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

I read the first post on this thread and realized it was Business as usual. Vic being Vic making everything about Vic. He really isnt a bad race caller but he is clearly the second best out of 2 in his circut and I think that eats him up. If I were to diagnose I would say he has NPD.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001930/

not sure about vic, but i know my monster in law has NPD.

[King Glorious]

I've been thinking a little more about the situation with IHA scratching. Let's say he had not been injured and had run and won the TC yesterday. How many more races do you think we would have gotten out of him? I'd put the over/under at one. It seems pretty clear to me that he was going to be done at the end of the year no matter what and given how infrequently they raced him before the TC, I don't think that he'd have raced more than twice more. I am thinking Travers, BC Classic, retirement. If ANYTHING had gone wrong between the Belmont and the Classic, if they had found a hair out of place, I think they would have retired him. So by my thinking, we were only looking at 1-3 more career races with him. Personally, and this is admittedly a selfish opinion, I'd have rather had one more and would have gladly sacrificed the remaining possible one or two, if it would have meant the chance to see history made. Of course, I would feel totally different if he had broken down during the race. That would have been the worst possible scenario for everyone. But for some reason, my thoughts drifted to Mineshaft and Sightseek. I remember with both of those horses, their connections several times made mention of physical conditions that were detected that told them that their horses were on limited time. I remember specifically being bothered with Frankel talking about how Sightseek only had one more in her and instead of going to the BC, he went to the Beldame. What I'm saying is that if O'Neill and Reddam got together and concluded that the horse could have run in the Belmont but that long term, it wasn't in his best interests, I wish they would have run him because I don't think they had a long term racing interest to protect.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

So you've gone from being a race caller to a "drifter" like Pat too. According to your logic...

I don't know -- but the horse racing analyst lady they had interviewing Pat in Singapore was hotter than any I've seen in our country.





Beulah Park started this trend ... and everyone else just wants to run with it. It's the stuff 180-point morning lines are made of.

Look at those freckles. European I take it. I can tell from all of the extensive research I've done on europorn.

Good job keeping your eyes above her chin, Pat.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M1eX...eature=related

[Riot]

What I'm saying is that if O'Neill and Reddam got together and concluded that the horse could have run in the Belmont but that long term, it wasn't in his best interests, I wish they would have run him because I don't think they had a long term racing interest to protect.

But they had a horse to protect. A horse that has to live another two decades with what racing does to his legs. They chose Horse. Not Money, not Legend.

Kudos to them

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Riot

But they had a horse to protect. A horse that has to live another two decades with what racing does to his legs. They chose Horse. Not Money, not Legend.

Kudos to them

I understand that and I'm not saying they did the wrong thing. I guess I'm looking at it from a different perspective. I don't know if you watch other sports or not but situations often come up where a guy is injured and if it was a meaningless game, he'd probably sit out and rest or get surgery but when big stakes are on the line (playoff spots, championships, etc.), they play through the injury. I remember a Celtics team in the mid-80s. Kevin McHale and Robert Parish were playing with busted up feet and both required surgery after the season. They both played through the injuries because they knew that they were facing opportunities that might not come again. That's kind of how I'm looking at this situation with IHA. If you tell me that racing him again is definitely going to hurt him long term, maybe even be catastrophic, of course I'd say don't do it. If you tell me that he could run again and come out of the race ok but maybe not run again, I wonder if that's not a chance worth taking? I admit that I'm not the horse lover that a lot of you are on here so I'm going to be more willing to take chances while most of you will err on the side of caution.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

If you tell me that he could run again and come out of the race ok but maybe not run again, I wonder if that's not a chance worth taking? I admit that I'm not the horse lover that a lot of you are on here so I'm going to be more willing to take chances while most of you will err on the side of caution.

I understand what you are saying, and I think the above is pretty accurate. Yes, some would make the other decision. Somebody mentioned Majestic Prince, how a very similar situation existed with him.

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M1eX...eature=related

Wasn't there a song called Brown Eyed Handsome Man?

Can only think this youtube could have been an inspiration.

[Indian Charlie]

Ronnie Lott had his injured finger amputated so that he could play in the Super Bowl, KG.

Doesn't mean it was the smart or right thing to do, for him or a horse.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Ronnie Lott had his injured finger amputated so that he could play in the Super Bowl, KG.

Doesn't mean it was the smart or right thing to do, for him or a horse.

Doesn't make it wrong either. Terrell Owens rushed back from surgery to play in the Super Bowl one year. Chances to make history don't come along every day. You take a moment for granted, as if you'll get another chance and it may never come again. Again, I'm not saying that you go out there knowing that if you do, you are going to die. I'm saying that when you weigh the options, if you have a once in a lifetime opportunity and taking it might mean you have to sacrifice something else later, sometimes it's worth it. Obviously the horses can't talk but I'd like to imagine that if he could, I'll Have Another would have asked to go.

I don't think there is a right or wrong answer. Just a personal choice. I'm not going to fault them for the one they made.

[booner]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I understand that and I'm not saying they did the wrong thing. I guess I'm looking at it from a different perspective. I don't know if you watch other sports or not but situations often come up where a guy is injured and if it was a meaningless game, he'd probably sit out and rest or get surgery but when big stakes are on the line (playoff spots, championships, etc.), they play through the injury. I remember a Celtics team in the mid-80s. Kevin McHale and Robert Parish were playing with busted up feet and both required surgery after the season. They both played through the injuries because they knew that they were facing opportunities that might not come again. That's kind of how I'm looking at this situation with IHA. If you tell me that racing him again is definitely going to hurt him long term, maybe even be catastrophic, of course I'd say don't do it. If you tell me that he could run again and come out of the race ok but maybe not run again, I wonder if that's not a chance worth taking? I admit that I'm not the horse lover that a lot of you are on here so I'm going to be more willing to take chances while most of you will err on the side of caution.

You are correct. I have seen it many times before. But does a horse that was put in this situation know when to take it easy for a play or two? Or when to call timeout to get a quick break? Or have someone sub for them or while the defense is on the field get medical attention to help ease the pain?

[blackthroatedwind]

I've seen it all now. Robert Parrish and Kevin McHale played with injuries....so I'll Have Another should have run.

Have keyboard....will post.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I've seen it all now. Robert Parrish and Kevin McHale played with injuries....so I'll Have Another should have run.

Have keyboard....will post.

You ought to see how Kevin McHale walks now, it's really amazing. The guy has a permanent and very pronounced limp.

Think of the poor horse. If this happened to all classes of horses then the sport would cease to exist. Yet I'm supposed to be naive and buy into the claim that they did what's best for the horse. No they didn't. They did what's best for their reputations and if you disagree then fine. You're wrong. These two guys have baggage, lots of it. In spite of what some in the sport tried to conveniently gloss over the past few weeks.

It's just tiresome. All of the hypocrisy. And how everything that is mainstream and in the spotlight is so p.ussified. I mean it's beyond ridiculous at this point.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

You ought to see how Kevin McHale walks now, it's really amazing. The guy has a permanent and very pronounced limp.

First player in NBA history to average better than 60% from the field and 80% from the free throw line in a season. He also still holds the Celtics record for most points in back to back games with 98 points. People forget how good that guy was playing along side Bird.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by GPK

First player in NBA history to average better than 60% from the field and 80% from the free throw line in a season. He also still holds the Celtics record for most points in back to back games with 98 points. People forget how good that guy was playing along side Bird.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I've seen it all now. Robert Parrish and Kevin McHale played with injuries....so I'll Have Another should have run.

Have keyboard....will post.

Excellent point.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by GPK

First player in NBA history to average better than 60% from the field and 80% from the free throw line in a season. He also still holds the Celtics record for most points in back to back games with 98 points. People forget how good that guy was playing along side Bird.

He was a whiny thug, and the 60% was mostly within about five feet from the hoop.

He was most excellent at clothes lines though.

[Gate Dancer]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

He was a whiny thug, and the 60% was mostly within about five feet from the hoop.

He was most excellent at clothes lines though.

And let's not forget his 'stellar' coaching record with the Timberwolves.....