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[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Part of the reason is the lack of quality of the Civil Rights leaders that represent the black community. Take Rev. Jackson for instance. The man on paper is a preacher of God and community activist yet in real life is an adulterer with a out of wedlock daughter to a woman 40 years younger. Younger than his namesake who is now in a halfway house after serving a federal prison sentence and younger than his daughter-in-law who will enter federal prison once Jr. gets home. A man who financially supports the out of wedlock daughter but is not in her life. A man who protests liquor billboards in the ghetto with a second son who owns the second largest Budweiser distributorship in the city. A man who has displayed his anti-Semitism beliefs going so far as to describe NYC as hymie-town.

In the case of Charleston whether on purpose or out of ignorance the constant focus and insight including the dissection of this racist's murderer's manifesto, the quoting of family members stating he was a smart child (ignoring he never made it thru his first year of high school though attempting it twice) does nothing more than sensationalize and in someway legitimize his actions ignoring what led him to take action. It may even be used for grooming further feeble minded young white males into racist attackers in the future. This kid wasn't some genius living with deep seated hatred for blacks rather he was an addle brained, failure looking for someone or something to blame for his failures.

The focus should rather be put on the victims of this tragedy. Describing their lives and successes. The family members they left behind and will have to go on with life w/o them. The kids that will now grow up in single family homes. And their pictures not the pictures of Roof should be posted. Instead of making and clumping them together as the black victims, highlight them as the black Church-going individuals each were. Equal focus should be put on the hate mongering websites he visited that led to his bird brained conclusion that black's were to blame for his failure.

Look racism no doubt still exists in every facet of society yet let's not forget the successes the country has made overcoming racism. We have a black elected President in a country that's 77% white. Back to back black Atty. Generals, a black Supreme Court justice. Black CEO's of fortune 500 companies, millions of black college graduates, black policemen and on and on and on.

The continual demonstrations and narrative of blacks having little to no chance in this racist society is equivalent to calling a child stupid and telling him he has no chance at being successful. Tell both they will be failures and that will likely be the outcome.

We need strong successful black leaders, ones able to say follow my path, do what I did, rather than some clown who speaks in rhymes, with the morality of a mutt in heat.

Dell, I agree...nobody is perfect and we shouldn't expect perfection from leaders but those who talk the talk must walk the walk.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Dell, I agree...nobody is perfect and we shouldn't expect perfection from leaders but those who talk the talk must walk the walk.

Ironic but the best Civil Rights leader in Chicago is a white, roman catholic, priest named Pfleger who I was lucky enough to have as a deacon in grade school at my lily white parish 40 plus years ago.

And the church almost kicked him out for doing things his way at his all-black parish, St. Sabina. The guy has adopted several black boys and tragically has had one murdered. He's a guy that not only walks the walk but does it 24/7/365.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Ironic but the best Civil Rights leader in Chicago is a white, roman catholic, priest named Pfleger who I was lucky enough to have as a deacon in grade school at my lily white parish 40 plus years ago.

And the church almost kicked him out for doing things his way at his all-black parish, St. Sabina. The guy has adopted several black boys and tragically has had one murdered. He's a guy that not only walks the walk but does it 24/7/365.

So those Civil rights leaders are NO DIFFERENT than any "LEADERS" in this country out to line their pockets under the guise of "helping". THEY ARE ALL SCUM. Also dude you may want to check the use of the term "boys" there. Even for the non politically correct this is offensive.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

So those Civil rights leaders are NO DIFFERENT than any "LEADERS" in this country out to line their pockets under the guise of "helping". THEY ARE ALL SCUM. Also dude you may want to check the use of the term "boys" there. Even for the non politically correct this is offensive.

He adopted them at 3, 4 and 6. They are his boys. Even the one who was murdered.

Offensive, why? They haven't been given a chance to figure out their genders?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

He adopted them at 3, 4 and 6. They are his boys. Even the one who was murdered.

Offensive, why? They haven't been given a chance to figure out their genders?

Figures you cant figure out why some may see that as offensive Maybe "sons"

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

Figures you cant figure out why some may see that as offensive Maybe "sons"

Unbelievable, and to think of all the times I've yelled out, 'C'mon Boys!' while attending Blackhawk games! Hell some even think 'Blackhawk' is offensive.

BTW if it's right by Nelson Mandela it's right by me and going off on nonsensical tangents like this are doing nothing, for anyone.

REV. JACKSON: We anticipated he would be set free. So I went to meet with Mrs. Thatcher and Britain still was not break all from that system. America had barely broken and so there was this high anticipation on how would he respond (Unintelligible) Britain and then the U.S. as well as the (Unintelligible). And he walked in-- into the room at the back of-- through the hall in Cape Town. And he said, freedom fighter, Jesse my boy.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/53771922/n.../#.VYb2o8-D4cA

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Unbelievable, and to think of all the times I've yelled out, 'C'mon Boys!' while attending Blackhawk games! Hell some even think 'Blackhawk' is offensive.

BTW if it's right by Nelson Mandela it's right by me and going off on nonsensical tangents like this are doing nothing, for anyone.



http://www.nbcnews.com/id/53771922/n.../#.VYb2o8-D4cA

You just simply do not get it and you never will. I don't hate you Dell although I hate everything you spew. I will buy you a drink when we meet. Lets promise not to discuss politics

[Danzig]

This 'discussion' is a perfect example of why nothing changes.
There are issues with individuals from all communities.
But the continued racism on a huge scale is the issue. And it won't change until the people at fault change or are forced to do so. Whole communities are created and then left to wallow in poverty. Poor education leads to poverty, poverty leads to crime. Our educational system exhibits racism, as does the justice system.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

This 'discussion' is a perfect example of why nothing changes.
There are issues with individuals from all communities.
But the continued racism on a huge scale is the issue. And it won't change until the people at fault change or are forced to do so. Whole communities are created and then left to wallow in poverty. Poor education leads to poverty, poverty leads to crime. Our educational system exhibits racism, as does the justice system.

If your really want to see racism look no further than the Indian community. They hate white, black yellow and brown Americans equally. i have had more than one expirence where i have been asked rather than how are the schools in such a such community, how many blacks live there. But hey business is business and if we can save a few buck next quarter why not repalce Americans whom have and will be supporting the economy with transient workers so Mr CEO can gain a few points on his options.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by jms62

So those Civil rights leaders are NO DIFFERENT than any "LEADERS" in this country out to line their pockets under the guise of "helping". THEY ARE ALL SCUM. Also dude you may want to check the use of the term "boys" there. Even for the non politically correct this is offensive.

Really??? I believe that young males aged 3,4 ad 6 are accurately referred to as boys. When "boy" is used in a particular manner it is offensive but to chastise Dell for his use in this instance is absurd!

[Danzig]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/18/opinio...iref=obnetwork

[jms62]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Really??? I believe that young males aged 3,4 ad 6 are accurately referred to as boys. When "boy" is used in a particular manner it is offensive but to chastise Dell for his use in this instance is absurd!

**** off and go watch your teenage girl movies douche.Bbut keep agreeing with those you have battled with in the past cause we are all fuking dumb enough no matter how long you have been gone to have forgotten what kind of freak you are. Capeche John?

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by jms62

**** off and go watch your teenage girl movies douche.Bbut keep agreeing with those you have battled with in the past cause we are all fuking dumb enough no matter how long you have been gone to have forgotten what kind of freak you are. Capeche John?

And this is why no one is going to stand down to progressives. Most of us see through it.

Whenever you 'boys' are ready. Is that before or after the failed confiscation attempt?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by jms62

**** off and go watch your teenage girl movies douche.Bbut keep agreeing with those you have battled with in the past cause we are all fuking dumb enough no matter how long you have been gone to have forgotten what kind of freak you are. Capeche John?

Don't respond well when challenged do you? Name calling shows a lot about your character, of course anyone can be big and bad on the net. Yes, I have disagreed with Coach and Dell as often as anyone, but I can still respect them...obviously you lack that quality...sad really.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Again, I find myself agreeing with you...racism isn't confined to one group of folks. About twenty years ago (roughly) I listened to a debate where one side presented the argument that black folks can't be racist because they lack to power to affect white folks...absurd! One can't measure racism by the results, while I agree that white racists historically (in the US) have had a much more overall profound negative effect on black folks than the reverse...racism is racism and the fact remains that racist viewpoints have a negative effect on both the racist and the folks he/she discriminates against. Dr King understood this but today's black leaders have strayed from his teachings.

I respectfully disagree, Somer; I think the whole point of racism is that it is measured in results- in the systemic and systematic subjugation of certain people based on an ideology rooted in the shade of one's skin determining their worth. I think a lot of people lump "prejudice" and "racism" together as the same thing, but I don't think they are. And it's not as easy or as obvious as "black is inferior"; it's a mindset that sees the white experience as the normative one. Our nation is deeply racist, and not all of the racism is deliberately intended to subjugate. But the result is the same.

This blog post, looks at white privilege from the point of view of a white person who grew up dirt poor:

http://occupywallstreet.net/story/ex...e-white-person

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Don't respond well when challenged do you? Name calling shows a lot about your character, of course anyone can be big and bad on the net. Yes, I have disagreed with Coach and Dell as often as anyone, but I can still respect them...obviously you lack that quality...sad really.

And the complaint is over the usage of a word. Which in itself is subjective.

This hyper-sensitive social justice warrior movement is embarrassing. Same sheep, different tactics.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Don't respond well when challenged do you? Name calling shows a lot about your character, of course anyone can be big and bad on the net. Yes, I have disagreed with Coach and Dell as often as anyone, but I can still respect them...obviously you lack that quality...sad really.

So it is "Respect" you want ??

Dude you lost any chance at me ever showing you any signs of respect with your gleeful post when Casey Anthony got away with murdering her daughter. You doubled down on that while defending Joe Pa after it was made public that it had been brought to his attention that one of his coaches had raped a boy in the showers. Shall we continue?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

He adopted them at 3, 4 and 6. They are his boys. Even the one who was murdered.

Offensive, why? They haven't been given a chance to figure out their genders?

Dell I really shouldn't have given you **** for using the term in this context. Sorry about that.

[somerfrost]

Frankly I don't care whether you respect me or not....I have opinions just like you do, just don't feel the need to try and get personal with anyone who disagrees with me. Casey Anthony was found not guilty by a jury, just like OJ was...whether you or I agree with those decisions doesn't mean "sh*t to a tree" (to quote Grace Slick). Joe Pa....there are two camps regarding him with many in each. You can doubtlessly list many other disagreements you have with me...if I offend you so much you can always block me.