Another Confusing Decision from the NY Stewards

[GPK]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Yes, you have got me pegged. I also hate babies too. And animals. Pretty much everything....except for myself.

lying bastard...you like me...

[GPK]

enough for me tonight....

Im out like a fat kid in dodge ball....








wait....was that racist?

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by GPK

enough for me tonight....

Im out like a fat kid in dodge ball....








wait....was that racist?

Calling someone fat isnt racist. It is being insensitive to those with weight problems.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Calling someone fat isnt racist. It is being insensitive to those with weight problems.

so now I am a insensitive racist......LOVELY

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by GPK

so now I am a insensitive racist......LOVELY

Well everyone must be something.

Originally Posted by whodey17

So a blind man can never have an opinion. That seems reasonable.

Do you get any handicapping opinions from blind people? Do you know any stewards who are blind? Aside from those in NY??

[MisterB]

They should be like the NFL replay. Have the head Judge run to the replay booth, while we watch the replay on the Big screen, and everytime the infraction replays, we go ewh,ah.ewh ah, until the Judge comes out and says's, After the review of the reply, the call stands. 1st and 10. Play ball.

[Grits]

Every single post in this thread after post 88, and forward, until this morning with post 134 should be deleted. Two entire pages of nothingness added, that was useless exchange to what was an excellent thread. Brought about by a poster that was simply throwing chum to the fish. Absolute foolishness.

But now, one has 7+ pages to scroll through instead of 5.

[jaripeo]

Originally Posted by MisterB

They should be like the NFL replay. Have the head Judge run to the replay booth, while we watch the replay on the Big screen, and everytime the infraction replays, we go ewh,ah.ewh ah, until the Judge comes out and says's, After the review of the reply, the call stands. 1st and 10. Play ball.

What the TRPB (Thoroughbred Racing Protective Burue) do in this cases?.
It saids in their mission: "The TRPB also pursues nationwide participation in conferences, seminars, workshops, and other assemblies considering programs related to integrity, security, safety, enforcement, and ethics in racing."
Sombody send them the tape.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Within reason. A Mott 2YO ducked out badly on the backstretch of a grass race last summer, and badly interfered with two horses, and was justifiably taken down. It's a judgement call.

Then again, you can have a Giant Chieftan situation where they DQ themself!

Every time I see Kon Krete Kid run back I think of that race.


My 2 cents which aren't even worth that much: Coa deserved 8-10 days, Martin no more than half that if any at all.

Bethany nailed it when she said you cannot put the horses and other riders at risk to "settle the score".

[philcski]

Originally Posted by whodey17

So a blind man can never have an opinion. That seems reasonable.

This may awfully simplistic, but if visual evidence is required... yes, of course.

If I turned on the radio and asked a man who was deaf what song was playing, would he know?

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[SentToStud]

A lot of the problem stems from the stewards likely feeling they needed to justify their decision not to make a DQ in the race. They made a poor "non-decision" there and felt compelled to justify it with their "equal fault" issuing of suspensions.

More and more, it seems, stewards are making their decisions based on the "did it or did it not alter the race outcome" concept. To be sure, subjectivity is part of their job, but it's gotten out of hand, imo.

I rarely see any DQ's any more for incidents other than those that occur in the homestretch which is wrong. To a great extent, a foul is a foul, wherever it occurs during a race. By not punishing riders for these fouls, the stewards only encourage this kind of bad race-riding tactics.

"Every man is given a spoon. Any man who loses his spoon spends a night in the box." Where's Boss Karl when we need him?

[Linny]

Originally Posted by whodey17

I think equal punishment is justified. One cant retaliate if one isnt provoked.

The "provocation" was just a typical incident that occurs as horses gain fotting and position early. Martin's actions did not appear intentinal at all, Coa's did.

[milliam]

Coa almost put Leparoux over the hedge twice at saratoga and it looked totally on purpose.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

Weathermen make incorrect decisions and predictions daily.

And as such are one of the least respected professions in the world. But if they were called in to analyze the weather after it occurred, I bet most of them would be pretty accurate. Unlike many stewards.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

A lot of the problem stems from the stewards likely feeling they needed to justify their decision not to make a DQ in the race. They made a poor "non-decision" there and felt compelled to justify it with their "equal fault" issuing of suspensions.

This "non-decision decision thing is just wrong. These officials are paid to make decisions not waffle.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

A lot of the problem stems from the stewards likely feeling they needed to justify their decision not to make a DQ in the race. They made a poor "non-decision" there and felt compelled to justify it with their "equal fault" issuing of suspensions.

More and more, it seems, stewards are making their decisions based on the "did it or did it not alter the race outcome" concept. To be sure, subjectivity is part of their job, but it's gotten out of hand, imo.

I rarely see any DQ's any more for incidents other than those that occur in the homestretch which is wrong. To a great extent, a foul is a foul, wherever it occurs during a race. By not punishing riders for these fouls, the stewards only encourage this kind of bad race-riding tactics.

"Every man is given a spoon. Any man who loses his spoon spends a night in the box." Where's Boss Karl when we need him?

Excellent post

[Grits]

Wow Cannon, "least respected" . . . you're a little strong aren't you? Where I live, most of them have degrees in Metoerological Science, and they don't get too much of it wrong any more.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And as such are one of the least respected professions in the world. But if they were called in to analyze the weather after it occurred, I bet most of them would be pretty accurate. Unlike many stewards.

[blackthroatedwind]

I also agree with Sent2Stud. It's the same twisted logic you see from Stewards concerning suspensions. Every time a horse is disqualified in a questionable decision the stewards seem to give the rider days ( which is not always necessary ) as if to justify their mediocre decision.

The stretch fouls while ignoring the rest of the race is preposterous. It would be like the NBA doing away with backcourt fouls.