Vick

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Just listened to a sports radio talk show driving home from work. Plenty of callers that were quite obviously African American were saying Vick is being punished because white America loves dogs more than people...

Its going racial. I had a feeling.

This is also true. I do believe that white America has more love for dogs than people. There was someone that once said that white people would rather kiss a dog on the mouth than kiss a black person. I think that in a lot of instances, that's true too. But that shouldn't take away from the fact that Vick was wrong and has to pay the price. I don't think anyone disputes that fact but where the disagreement comes is in what that price should be. I believe that if anyone else would have gotten prison time, he should too. I believe he should be suspended without pay while he's serving prison time. I believe that he should lose his endorsements. But I also believe that there is something wrong with the system when a person can be convicted of a DUI, where they are putting the lives of many people at risk, regardless of whether they kill anyone or not, and they get less time than what Vick will get. Someone said that it's a new commissioner in place and that if Leonard Little or Reggie Rogers had been guilty of the crimes they committed in today's league, their penalties from the NFL would have been more severe than what they got then. But that's the NFL. What about the justice system? That hasn't changed. Little got 90 days and Rogers got a year. And that's for killing people. Vick should get more than that for being involved in killing dogs? That just doesn't make sense to me. I also don't think it's fair for anyone to decide that they can KNOW who can and can't be rehabilitated. Not a single person knows how the down time will effect Vick. I'll agree that it's likely that it won't make him change his beliefs.....but that doesn't mean that it can't happen. I also don't think that many black people are saying that Vick is being punished because he's black. I think they are saying that he's being punished MORE because he's black. I'm not sure that there isn't some truth to that. There is a reason that a jury is supposed to be made up of your peers. To a lot of black people, especially in the South and in the ghetto, right or wrong (and I do think it's wrong), dog fighting is something that is seen as just something else that goes on. I've talked before about how, when u've seen something long enough, even something as dispicable as this, u develop a sort of immunity to it. That's just the way it is. I would bet that if u asked most black people what they think should happen here, most would say he should do his time as mandated by the law and then he should be given the opportunity to come back. If no owner wants to take a chance on him because of the negative publicity that would come along with it, then he won't play again. But I guarantee that some would. Some of the same guys that are condeming him today would sign him tomorrow if it could mean a few more wins and more fans in the seats to watch him play and more money in their pockets. This is the truth. Sex offenders, murderers, thieves, white collar criminals......all can be rehabilitated. But Vick can't. A person can bilk many people out of millions of dollars and effect people's entire lives and families for generations and get a slap on the wrist but Vick should be in prison for life? I just have a hard time with that. What's sad is that if Vick had killed a human, the outrage wouldn't be nearly as bad.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

The hero worship can only take folks so far, the NAACP should remember that Vick's main accusors are now his friends...all black folks as well! I understand the hesitation of the black community to fall into blind acceptance of a justice system that has failed them so often, but this is NOT the case to take a stand behind...Vick has now admitted his guilt...the fat lady has sung, Elvis has left the building, Jim Morrison has pulled has pants back up...it's over!

I know that there are some that will not understand where I'm coming from on this but I'm going to say it anyway. Vick has not admitted much. Please, please don't take this as I'm saying he's innocent because I'm not but I've known guys in other situations where they took deals for things they were innocent of because they knew that if it went to trial and they lost (and in this country, we should know by now that anything can happen at trial), they would get far worse.

But to the original point, u are right. This is not the case to stand behind. The NAACP is a very hypocrital organization. They try to make it seem like they are speaking for all black people when in actuality, they are speaking for very few. Same goes for Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. I don't know who voted them the unofficial president and vice president of black America.......but I'd like to demand a recount.

[Danzig]

the naacp exists for itself. to feed itself, fund itself, it is a business after all.


as for vick, and appropriate punishment, i agree 100% that the penalties handed out in many instances is an outrage. none more so recently IMO than the woman who shot her husband in the back and killed him, and is already free.

martha stewart spent more time in jail than many violent criminals. absolutely too many sentences for probation handed out. problem is not enough jail space. so save jail space for violent offenders, and slap those such as stewart with a hefty fine.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

This is also true. I do believe that white America has more love for dogs than people. There was someone that once said that white people would rather kiss a dog on the mouth than kiss a black person. I think that in a lot of instances, that's true too.

And I am partially white/hispanic and disagree with you most vehemently.

I would rather kiss a dog than most people of any color because they dont have human germs, thats a no brainer.

BTW. Just as an example that represents an anamoly to your arguement, my daughter's basketball team went into a dining establishment that had stuffed animals of all sorts adoroning the walls and served all sorts of meats.
This little(she is 6' tall)girl on the team was absolutely horrified and could not eat...had to go outside.
But when we played games, she was the one we had to warn about not hurting other kids. She liked to get into fights. She is African American. I find this kind of attitute absolutely perplexing no matter what color one is.

So most of my limited experience tells me you are wrong.

[Mortimer]

This is also true. I do believe that white America has more love for dogs than people. There was someone that once said that white people would rather kiss a dog on the mouth than kiss a black person.


Hey that's pretty good!

I believe still true in many cases...although this fine white person will take a nice kissy-poo from a BrownSugar over a wuffie ANYDAY!


I am beginning to like you a lot more...although I won't kiss you.

Perhaps GoovesInsideHisHeadHO might.




Not that you're interested.

[Mortimer]

So most of my limited experience tells me you are wrong.
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God you're stupid!
























I suppose he'd rather fucl< a wuffie as well.

Originally Posted by Mortimer

So most of my limited experience tells me you are wrong.
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God you're stupid!

I suppose he'd rather fucl< a wuffie as well.

Angry little man has genetal herpes methinks.
I have heard the outbreaks can bring on these moodswings.

Do the sores actually ooze, or they just arise in a deadly undercover fashion... ? I have limited experience.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

This is also true. I do believe that white America has more love for dogs than people. There was someone that once said that white people would rather kiss a dog on the mouth than kiss a black person. I think that in a lot of instances, that's true too. But that shouldn't take away from the fact that Vick was wrong and has to pay the price. I don't think anyone disputes that fact but where the disagreement comes is in what that price should be. I believe that if anyone else would have gotten prison time, he should too. I believe he should be suspended without pay while he's serving prison time. I believe that he should lose his endorsements. But I also believe that there is something wrong with the system when a person can be convicted of a DUI, where they are putting the lives of many people at risk, regardless of whether they kill anyone or not, and they get less time than what Vick will get. Someone said that it's a new commissioner in place and that if Leonard Little or Reggie Rogers had been guilty of the crimes they committed in today's league, their penalties from the NFL would have been more severe than what they got then. But that's the NFL. What about the justice system? That hasn't changed. Little got 90 days and Rogers got a year. And that's for killing people. Vick should get more than that for being involved in killing dogs? That just doesn't make sense to me. I also don't think it's fair for anyone to decide that they can KNOW who can and can't be rehabilitated. Not a single person knows how the down time will effect Vick. I'll agree that it's likely that it won't make him change his beliefs.....but that doesn't mean that it can't happen. I also don't think that many black people are saying that Vick is being punished because he's black. I think they are saying that he's being punished MORE because he's black. I'm not sure that there isn't some truth to that. There is a reason that a jury is supposed to be made up of your peers. To a lot of black people, especially in the South and in the ghetto, right or wrong (and I do think it's wrong), dog fighting is something that is seen as just something else that goes on. I've talked before about how, when u've seen something long enough, even something as dispicable as this, u develop a sort of immunity to it. That's just the way it is. I would bet that if u asked most black people what they think should happen here, most would say he should do his time as mandated by the law and then he should be given the opportunity to come back. If no owner wants to take a chance on him because of the negative publicity that would come along with it, then he won't play again. But I guarantee that some would. Some of the same guys that are condeming him today would sign him tomorrow if it could mean a few more wins and more fans in the seats to watch him play and more money in their pockets. This is the truth. Sex offenders, murderers, thieves, white collar criminals......all can be rehabilitated. But Vick can't. A person can bilk many people out of millions of dollars and effect people's entire lives and families for generations and get a slap on the wrist but Vick should be in prison for life? I just have a hard time with that. What's sad is that if Vick had killed a human, the outrage wouldn't be nearly as bad.

ugh, kissing a dog. i like dogs, but they lare none to picky about what they put in their mouths.

Originally Posted by Danzig

ugh, kissing a dog. i like dogs, but they lare none to picky about what they put in their mouths.

So you would kiss Morton potty mouth?
Can you imagine where his mouth has been...

[Cajungator26]

It depends on the dog...

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by pgardn

So you would kiss Morton potty mouth?
Can you imagine where his mouth has been...

Say....





.....this guy's gooood!















I think he's the comedy writer for Hillary Clinton.


Man ..that dog just don't hunt.

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Say....


.....this guy's gooood!

Dont bring those loose, traveling minstrel lips anywhere close.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

But he is a great rusher you say?
Rushing td's -2
Fumbles -4

Atlanta has a short yardage specialist take the carries down by the goal line. So the rushing TD stat is decieving...most QB's score them on runs of less than one yard -- and Vick isn't a big, tall, guy like a Duante Cullpepper who is a lock to pick up a yard by taking the snap and going forward.

He's most dangerous the further away he is from the goal-line -- when the defense is most spread out.

Four fumbles is nothing for a QB who runs as often as he does.

He's the only QB in NFL history to rush for a thousand yards in a game.

He's an a-hole and was a fairly overrated player -- but he's without question the most dangerous open field runner to ever play the qb position. By far.

In my opinion, with an obvious exception to Randy Moss, he was the most talented college football player I'd ever seen, and while Va Tech lost the national title game -- he put on a show against a very tough FSU defense.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Atlanta has a short yardage specialist take the carries down by the goal line. So the rushing TD stat is decieving...most QB's score them on runs of less than one yard -- and Vick isn't a big, tall, guy like a Duante Cullpepper who is a lock to pick up a yard by taking the snap and going forward.

He's most dangerous the further away he is from the goal-line -- when the defense is most spread out.

Four fumbles is nothing for a QB who runs as often as he does.

He's the only QB in NFL history to rush for a thousand yards in a game.

He's an a-hole and was a fairly overrated player -- but he's without question the most dangerous open field runner to ever play the qb position. By far.

In my opinion, with an obvious exception to Randy Moss, he was the most talented college football player I'd ever seen, and while Va Tech lost the national title game -- he put on a show against a very tough FSU defense.

That is 4 fumbles while running the ball, not counting the ones in the pocket. It is a lot. He may be a great openfield runner but that does not make him a good QB.

[Scav]

He sucked as a QB. He was just popular because he was thug and fast as hell in Madden.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

That is 4 fumbles while running the ball, not counting the ones in the pocket. It is a lot. He may be a great openfield runner but that does not make him a good QB.

In college, that and his quick release and strong arm, made him a GREAT qb.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He's the only QB in NFL history to rush for a thousand yards in a game.

I think I meant season.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I think I meant season.

There just ain't no hunt in that dog.



Vick is a horrible nfl qb,though.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

He's a very bad person Mortimer - If I only had more free time I'd write to him in jail about how lovely the day is and how nice it is to have my freedom - all while hoping he is sharing a cell with a deviant who wears eye-liner like your good pal Dispencer.

[Danzig]

and now will be about 22 million poorer to boot. atlanta is on the move.