Triple Crown?

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He did a lot better than you said he would on this board....over and over again. I don't think anyone said he was a superstar....but many of us felt that because of the inferior quality of the field he had a chance at what was a solid price.

Once again, he didn't run great, but he ran OK and is a nice horse. Now, I have to revisit the Smooth Air thread.

Yeah and most of those people excluded Big Brown in their picks. F.uck them if they think I'm going to apologize for the rest of the field sucking ass.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yeah and most of those people excluded Big Brown in their picks. F.uck them if they think I'm going to apologize for the rest of the field sucking ass.

You don't have to apologize.....but you were wrong about Denis of Cork and saying now that he ran poorly and was lucky, which is essentially what you are saying, makes you look silly.

Of course, and I mean this as a compliment, you go for silly quite often ( in a positive way much of the time ).

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You don't have to apologize.....but you were wrong about Denis of Cork and saying now that he ran poorly and was lucky, which is essentially what you are saying, makes you look silly.

Is it so obvious that DoC ran well rather than just happening to be the horse that ran last?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Is it so obvious that DoC ran well rather than just happening to be the horse that ran last?

It's late, and I'm tired and sick, so I don't understand this....but assume you are making a joke.

He ran OK in a subpar race. I think that most of us that liked his chances were banking on this being a subpar race.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You don't have to apologize.....but you were wrong about Denis of Cork and saying now that he ran poorly and was lucky, which is essentially what you are saying, makes you look silly.

Of course, and I mean this as a compliment, you go for silly quite often ( in a positive way much of the time ).

The thing that really makes me look silly is assuming a few in this race would improve and run about a 95 beyer. The fact of the matter is Eight Belles is probably the only horse that improved significantly and she died doing so.

I'll admit this. Denis of Cork is consistent when you throw out the Illinois Derby. He's consistently decent in a crop of absolute bums.

*throws up*

And I don't mind looking silly. I took a stand and was a little off. I still think this horse needs an absolute blistering early pace to win. Guess we'll have to wait and see if I'm right.

[blackthroatedwind]

It's horse racing....we're all wrong more than we're right. Nothing wrong with that.

By the way, the most incredible thing about the race, at least from a betting perspective, is that Big Truck was almost half the price of Tale of Ekati. If they were seperate betting interests in a random race on a Thursday at Belmont, Take of Ekati would have been 3:5 to Big Truck's 4:1. What about him did people like? Were people confused by his name starting with Big and didn't bother to see it was followed by Truck and not Brown?

I would like to see a matchup of the confusingly overated fivesome of Big Truck, Z Fortune, Visionaire, Smooth Air and Court Vision. I will say that Stutts seemed like a genuinely nice guy from the ESPN piece. It was cheesy...but he still seemed like an easy guy to root for.

What a great game.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's horse racing....we're all wrong more than we're right. Nothing wrong with that.

By the way, the most incredible thing about the race, at least from a betting perspective, is that Big Truck was almost half the price of Tale of Ekati. If they were seperate betting interests in a random race on a Thursday at Belmont, Take of Ekati would have been 3:5 to Big Truck's 4:1. What about him did people like? Were people confused by his name starting with Big and didn't bother to see it was followed by Truck and not Brown?

I would like to see a matchup of the confusingly overated fivesome of Big Truck, Z Fortune, Visionaire, Smooth Air and Court Vision. I will say that Stutts seemed like a genuinely nice guy from the ESPN piece. It was cheesy...but he still seemed like an easy guy to root for.

What a great game.

Big Truck was probably the overwhelming favorite in the infield.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's horse racing....we're all wrong more than we're right. Nothing wrong with that.

By the way, the most incredible thing about the race, at least from a betting perspective, is that Big Truck was almost half the price of Tale of Ekati. If they were seperate betting interests in a random race on a Thursday at Belmont, Take of Ekati would have been 3:5 to Big Truck's 4:1. What about him did people like? Were people confused by his name starting with Big and didn't bother to see it was followed by Truck and not Brown?

I would like to see a matchup of the confusingly overated fivesome of Big Truck, Z Fortune, Visionaire, Smooth Air and Court Vision. I will say that Stutts seemed like a genuinely nice guy from the ESPN piece. It was cheesy...but he still seemed like an easy guy to root for.

What a great game.

At the OTB, some chick was like "let's bet on the horse that sounds the slowest", and came up with him. My only explanation is that there were thousands of people that had the same angle and opinion today.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's late, and I'm tired and sick, so I don't understand this....but assume you are making a joke.

He ran OK in a subpar race. I think that most of us that liked his chances were banking on this being a subpar race.

I'm not joking and my intent is not to break your balls, believe me. I know that you've been following the game for a long time, and when you banked on the race being subpar, given the way you bet it, I'm assuming that you thought the winner was a subpar horse as well. In that case, I can understand trying to beat him with horses that some would think were subpar in relation to him. But you also add that it wouldn't suprise you if he won by open lengths and to not take advantage of a $37.00 double (since you had the winner of the Oaks) just doesn't make sense to me.

And I also don't think, out of hand, that DoC is any better than some of the other closers in the race; he just happened to make the last move.

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by Danzig

they all do at this point. what derby winner isn't the next tc winner?

Giacomo

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm not joking and my intent is not to break your balls, believe me. I know that you've been following the game for a long time, and when you banked on the race being subpar, given the way you bet it, I'm assuming that you thought the winner was a subpar horse as well. In that case, I can understand trying to beat him with horses that some would think were subpar in relation to him. But you also add that it wouldn't suprise you if he won by open lengths and to not take advantage of a $37.00 double (since you had the winner of the Oaks) just doesn't make sense to me.

And I also don't think, out of hand, that DoC is any better than some of the other closers in the race; he just happened to make the last move.

There's probably a lot of truth in that.

As you can see from the amount I bet, I didn't bet very much in the double, and good luck finding the willpays.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Really? Who?

Casino Drive is waiting for the Belmont. The owners think that they have the hosre to get the distance. He is a half to Jazel and Rags to Riches. We will see.

[zippyneedsawin]

I wasn't a tale of ekati fan, but I was a bit surprised to see the Wood Winner at nearly 40-1.. I mean, he's not great, but he's better than Tapit!!..

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

I wasn't a tale of ekati fan, but I was a bit surprised to see the Wood Winner at nearly 40-1.. I mean, he's not great, but he's better than Tapit!!..

Why is he necessarily better than Tapit?

[horseofcourse]

Is there any chance at all Harlem Rocker goes in the Preakness?? I know he was talked about a ton here recently.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by pgardn

The feet are a definite problem as already stated.
These will be the most closely watched hooves...

I don't have the stats to back this up, but it has always been my impression that Dick Dutrow horses as a rule run big races off extended layoffs, would anyone agree? If so the timing of the Triple Crown may be Big Brown's undoing and not as much to do with the competition. Dutrow usually likes to space his races out, a luxury he doesn't have here.

[cowgirlintexas]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Is there any chance at all Harlem Rocker goes in the Preakness?? I know he was talked about a ton here recently.

He was mentioned in the bloodhorse article as a possible starter.
http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/article/45042.htm

[CSC]

Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas

He was mentioned in the bloodhorse article as a possible starter.
http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/article/45042.htm

Things can change but this was the latest article I found on the web.

Link here for Harlem Rocker: http://www.scaredycatfilms.com/adena...ker/index.html

April 27TH, 2008

This article from the Daily Racing Form mentions that Harlem Rocker may still be pointed towards the Queen's Plate and the Queen's Plate Trial at the start of the month of June. There's also a shout out to the Adena Racing Venture, that we are a small part of. From DRF:

Harlem Rocker remains perfect in Withers
By DAVID GRENING
OZONE PARK, N.Y. - Todd Pletcher's recent assault on North America's 3-year-old graded stakes continued Saturday at Aqueduct when Harlem Rocker blew past odds-on favorite J Be K inside the eighth pole to win the Grade 3, $150,000 Withers Stakes by 2 1/2 lengths.

J Be K, who set all the early fractions under Garrett Gomez, finished second by 7 3/4 lengths over Double or Nothing. Face the Cat was last.

The victory was the third from as many starts for Harlem Rocker, a Canadian-bred son of Macho Uno owned and bred by Frank Stronach. Harlem Rocker is part of the Adena Springs Racing Venture, a package of six Stronach-bred colts that Stronach owns with other partners.

[Zippy Chippy]

After his Derby performance and this lackluster crop of 3-year olds, Big Brown could very well be the next Triple Crown winner.

At first I was bummed thinking about this because it's a situation where he is essentially "the best of the worst"-- not exactly the kind of champion like Secretariat or Affirmed. But on second thought, you can't really hold Big Brown "responsible" for how crappy the rest of the crop is. If he wins it, it is still legitimate because he was better than every other 3-year old that ran against him.

If he isn't retired two days after his win in the Belmont (and that's a big "if"), it would be interesting to see how Triple Crown Champion Big Brown would stand up against a horse like Curlin in the Breeders Cup Classic. That would be a decent measure of what his real class is.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Zippy Chippy

After his Derby performance and this lackluster crop of 3-year olds, Big Brown could very well be the next Triple Crown winner.

At first I was bummed thinking about this because it's a situation where he is essentially "the best of the worst"-- not exactly the kind of champion like Secretariat or Affirmed. But on second thought, you can't really hold Big Brown "responsible" for how crappy the rest of the crop is. If he wins it, it is still legitimate because he was better than every other 3-year old that ran against him.

If he isn't retired two days after his win in the Belmont (and that's a big "if"), it would be interesting to see how Triple Crown Champion Big Brown would stand up against a horse like Curlin in the Breeders Cup Classic. That would be a decent measure of what his real class is.

I don't think it would be a decent measure of what class is -- not here in this forum. Read the threads (most of them) that, before the race, said he had no shot; and then read all of the commentary (perhaps "excuses" would be a better word) after the race. It's ironic that this year's crop got massively worse immediately after Big Brown crossed the finish line.

Personally, I said Big Brown was a "bet against" right from the get-go. No sour grapes here, nor celebrating as I didn't have the filly on one ticket. I took my stand, put up my money and watched that colt go right out and beat me.

Eric