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[pba1817]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Sound horses get hurt too...

Obviously I'm not a breeder, but limiting the number of foals per stallion would seem to be a place to start. The knee jerk reaction of the breeder might be outrage that they can't maximize their stud fees, but limiting the number of foals and then yearlings might drive up the demand by limiting the supply. Based on the number of reserves not met at the Sep KEE sale and the declining middle and bottom averages, it certainly couldn't hurt.

That seems like a logical idea as well.

[Linny]

It is relevant (though extreme) because it is telling and owner that he or she cannot "use" is horse for several years. If a 2yo filly puts her leg through a fence and cannot be bred until she's 6 that's 3 1/2 years of liability. She wasn't "unsound" but was hurt. Don't think for a minute that most owners are going to keep her. If the owner tries to sell her he'll get nothing.

Under such a rule, IF Stardom Bound injured herself badly between now and her Nov. sale date (and cannot be bred til she's 6) what does she sell for?

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Linny

It is relevant (though extreme) because it is telling and owner that he or she cannot "use" is horse for several years. If a 2yo filly puts her leg through a fence and cannot be bred until she's 6 that's 3 1/2 years of liability. She wasn't "unsound" but was hurt. Don't think for a minute that most owners are going to keep her. If the owner tries to sell her he'll get nothing.

Under such a rule, IF Stardom Bound injured herself badly between now and her Nov. sale date (and cannot be bred til she's 6) what does she sell for?

She will sell for the same amount, possibly more.

BTW, who if the hell sells a champion horse anyway? That should tell you just how effed up this whole industry is. That particular owner says, UNCLE, enough is enough, the industry is a joke and he wants out.

Supply and demand is what makes any industry go round. This particular industry has very little going for it other than the degenerate gamblers... Too many unsound, suspect horses are floating around racing at garbage tracks and breeding to far too many mares. The field sizes are too small, there are too many races at too many tracks, purses are too small, cost of operation are too high, taxes are too much, insurance premiums are outrageous. As it is its a losing proposition for many/most involved. It has to be changed.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pba1817

The positives will far outweigh the negatives IMO, with any change there has to be some sacrifice and some burden met. The few injured horses will have to be cared for until the breeding age is reached.

Spoken by a mutt who probably doesnt have 2 cents to rub together. If you want sacrifice lets see you put up your money and support the sport. Show the way by keeping your horses till they are 5 and then your opinion will count. Until then us people who deal in the reality of actually owning and paying for horses will do what we want with our property. And schmucks like you who think that the 'sport' of the game actually supports the game can keep whining or better yet just stop paying attention.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Linny

Having spent alot of time involved with "outplacing" slow, unwanted and retiring race horses I tend to think that the costs outweight the benefits. I hate to say it but unless they were of spectacular breeding and ownerd by the cream of the owners most would be cared for at the feedlots and at places like New Holland and others.
Look at it this way. Lets say they ban racing for 2 and 3yo's. The game will STOP. No one would buy yearlings and 2yo's would still be risky. Three year old sales would be the norm except that as a breeder, I don't want to have a 4 year investment cycle from breeding to sale. I can't afford to support all those animals that are non productive for that long and I don't care to take the risks that they will stay sound. No breeder, not Phipps or Jackson or Magnier and Tabor could do so. The game would cease.
This is an extreme example but it shows what happens when an outside force tells owners that they cannot use their animals to be productive, whether on the track or in the shed.

There are no real benefits linny. The Funny Cide thing is a perfect example. Who was a bigger name with a catchy story than him. He failed to do much to keep the sport in the mainstream because he simply wasnt a great horse merely a good one who was very good at the most important time. No one comes out to see a "famous" horse who is not winning. Curlin is another great example of how a campaign by the previous years horse of the year hardly creates a blip on the mainstream radar. His races were far from well attended and pretty much he is going to fade away like many others. This guy is just another jerk who thinks he has all the answers when he has zero undrstanding of the sport and how it works.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pba1817

As I said in my previous post, there will be circumstances in which the owner will have to assume some responsibility for injured horses without an immediate sell off when the racing career ends.

Also, why is everyone in such a hurry to breed unsound horses as soon as their racing careers are over due to injury? Do you all recognize the insanity of this proposition and just how it has ruined the breed's stability and soundness?

Is it not impossible to think that by imposing a minimum breeding age would make owners/breeders focus on breeding sound horses instead of brittle and weak speedsters?

Since when have you become an expert on breeding horses? The breeds stability? Is it unstable? Yeah owners will keep all the slow sound ones to breed at 5. You are living in fantasyland. Why dont you just go over to a pretty horsie board and commiserate with those PETA lovers?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pba1817

She will sell for the same amount, possibly more.

BTW, who if the hell sells a champion horse anyway? That should tell you just how effed up this whole industry is. That particular owner says, UNCLE, enough is enough, the industry is a joke and he wants out.

Supply and demand is what makes any industry go round. This particular industry has very little going for it other than the degenerate gamblers... Too many unsound, suspect horses are floating around racing at garbage tracks and breeding to far too many mares. The field sizes are too small, there are too many races at too many tracks, purses are too small, cost of operation are too high, taxes are too much, insurance premiums are outrageous. As it is its a losing proposition for many/most involved. It has to be changed.

Yeah she will sell for the same...

That particular owner is in his 80's and his trainer is retiring but of course you knew this and chose to ignore facts when you can shoot off your theories.

You must be a democrat. You say how screwed up and expensive thinbgs are then decide to over regulate "for our own good", ignoring the fact that there is no valid reason to believe that your "idea" will actually accomplish anything except chase more owners away and cripple the breeding industry. Not to mention the fact that 3 and 4 year old mares are far healthier and more able to carry foals and give birth with less issues than older mares. Of course this is not important for you because you have a theory...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Don't get all paceadvantage on us.

I love when people tell me I should "sacrifice" and "assume" responsibility.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I love when people tell me I should "sacrifice" and "assume" responsibility.

So did Kobe Bryant before last season.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

So did Kobe Bryant before last season.

I wish some one would trade me the equine version of Pau Gasol

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pba1817

As I said in my previous post, there will be circumstances in which the owner will have to assume some responsibility for injured horses without an immediate sell off when the racing career ends.

Also, why is everyone in such a hurry to breed unsound horses as soon as their racing careers are over due to injury? Do you all recognize the insanity of this proposition and just how it has ruined the breed's stability and soundness?

Is it not impossible to think that by imposing a minimum breeding age would make owners/breeders focus on breeding sound horses instead of brittle and weak speedsters?

injured doesn't equal unsound.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Why even bother? The guy's just trying to get under people's skin. He's bringing nothing to the table as far as solutions.

killin time

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pba1817

She will sell for the same amount, possibly more.

BTW, who if the hell sells a champion horse anyway? That should tell you just how effed up this whole industry is. That particular owner says, UNCLE, enough is enough, the industry is a joke and he wants out.

Supply and demand is what makes any industry go round. This particular industry has very little going for it other than the degenerate gamblers... Too many unsound, suspect horses are floating around racing at garbage tracks and breeding to far too many mares. The field sizes are too small, there are too many races at too many tracks, purses are too small, cost of operation are too high, taxes are too much, insurance premiums are outrageous. As it is its a losing proposition for many/most involved. It has to be changed.

people sell champions quite often. better than honour is arguably the most valuable broodmare on the face of the earth, she's up for sale next month.
hard as it is to get owners into the game, who automatically face at least 30k a year per horse in training...and you want to make it more burdensome? yeah, makes sense.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I wish some one would trade me the equine version of Pau Gasol

i stopped reading this at 'i wish'.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I wish some one would trade me the equine version of Pau Gasol

What about an equine version of Smush Parker instead?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

What about an equine version of Smush Parker instead?

Got those already in male and female form. As long as i stay away from the Starbury equine version i may be ok.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Got those already in male and female form. As long as i stay away from the Starbury equine version i may be ok.

You should name the next yearling SMUSHCALADE

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

You should name the next yearling SMUSHCALADE

I will try

[Danzig]

or troll mush

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Spoken by a mutt who probably doesnt have 2 cents to rub together. If you want sacrifice lets see you put up your money and support the sport. Show the way by keeping your horses till they are 5 and then your opinion will count. Until then us people who deal in the reality of actually owning and paying for horses will do what we want with our property. And schmucks like you who think that the 'sport' of the game actually supports the game can keep whining or better yet just stop paying attention.

I am actually a member of the Thoroughbred Owners of California. In my experience, we have ran our horses till they are 4 or 5. Not a large sample of horses owned, and none were superstars of any matter.

I hope that makes my points more concrete or valid for you.

If not, go **** yourself.