Biancone, cold with 2 year olds, my theory why

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Maybelline is garbage makeup... it's grocery store stuff. They don't have a counter. LOL

All I know is that I stood in Walgreens for like hours. I think I tested my blood pressure like 15 times.

Look Euro, if tracks wanted to install the stuff as a THIRD surface to go with turf and dirt I wouldn't care. Let the crippled claimers polytrack into the night. But thats not how its being marketed. Its being marketed as a replacement for dirt. Its become quite clear in the limited sample that ther is no correlation between form on the two. Call me crazy, but i don't think its rational, thought out well, or wise to take 150 years of training, breeding, etc and toss it out the window and tamper with sinking the breeding market which is the base of the economic structure of the sport.
I also think it will show a DECREASE in handle which will sink purses and tracks. The Turfway stats are quite misleading. First of all handle went up because they cancelled fewer cards. That won't come into play in Cali at all. 2nd of all I don't mean to bash Turfway but its not a major track that players play. I haven't read a single public handicapper or major player who likes the stuff to bet on. read this thread, how many guys are saying they won't be the stuff(add me to that list as well)? You take a major circuit like Cali or keeneland and I will bet you anything you want that handle goes down!!!!! The big bettors(5%) account for maybe 50% of handle. If they vote no with their bankrolls lets see how handle goes shall we?

Cajun--where are you moving. I have moved twice in my life and I wont move ever again.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Look Euro, if tracks wanted to install the stuff as a THIRD surface to go with turf and dirt I wouldn't care. Let the crippled claimers polytrack into the night. But thats not how its being marketed. Its being marketed as a replacement for dirt. Its become quite clear in the limited sample that ther is no correlation between form on the two. Call me crazy, but i don't think its rational, thought out well, or wise to take 150 years of training, breeding, etc and toss it out the window and tamper with sinking the breeding market which is the base of the economic structure of the sport.
I also think it will show a DECREASE in handle which will sink purses and tracks. The Turfway stats are quite misleading. First of all handle went up because they cancelled fewer cards. That won't come into play in Cali at all. 2nd of all I don't mean to bash Turfway but its not a major track that players play. I haven't read a single public handicapper or major player who likes the stuff to bet on. read this thread, how many guys are saying they won't be the stuff(add me to that list as well)? You take a major circuit like Cali or keeneland and I will bet you anything you want that handle goes down!!!!! The big bettors(5%) account for maybe 50% of handle. If they vote no with their bankrolls lets see how handle goes shall we?

I guess time will tell.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I guess time will tell.

Wise man! I take it you don't want that bet?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

LMAO... actually, I used to have some of it when they installed it at the show facility I used to show at. I don't care for the stuff. It smelled kind of funny and it my horse didn't seem to move as well over the stuff as he did clay. I'm not 100% opposed to a dirt/synthetic mixture. I guess we will see how this whole polytrack thing pans out.

Ok then, you're alright. It sounds like your bag was for receational use only, and not for distribution.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Wise man! I take it you don't want that bet?

We all know I dont gamble--

Originally Posted by eurobounce

We all know I dont gamble--

Ok, lol, smart bet not to take.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

All I know is that I stood in Walgreens for like hours. I think I tested my blood pressure like 15 times.

WALGREENS?!!! LMFAO!!!

I thought you were talking about going to the makeup counter in a department store. COMEDY!!!

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

WALGREENS?!!! LMFAO!!!

I thought you were talking about going to the makeup counter in a department store. COMEDY!!!

Oh no. This was when we were poor--lol. Now she goes to some place in Macy's.

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Well it isnt hard to get a bag of it. I tell you what, take a trip to Turfway, get a zip lock bag, go in the backside and scoop some up. Then you will have a bag of PolyTrack like me.

sell it on ebay

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Oh no. This was when we were poor--lol. Now she goes to some place in Macy's.

Now we're talking. LOL

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Now we're talking. LOL

i prefer to shop at the outlet malls, but no she has to go to the mall and pay retail. i cant stand the mall. makes me sick.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

i prefer to shop at the outlet malls, but no she has to go to the mall and pay retail. i cant stand the mall. makes me sick.

I don't care for it either... I'd rather spend my time and money in a tack/feed store. I'm looking at buying a new saddle soon, but I suppose I should wait until after I move and get everything situated.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I don't care for it either... I'd rather spend my time and money in a tack/feed store. I'm looking at buying a new saddle soon, but I suppose I should wait until after I move and get everything situated.

Yeah that would be a good idea. Moving is so expensive. Plus I break everything so I have to buy everything all over again.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Yeah that would be a good idea. Moving is so expensive. Plus I break everything so I have to buy everything all over again.

LOL!! I know quite well what you are talking about!!!

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I don't care if other businesses go down the drain, I love racing, and I don't wanna see it go down the drain on a con that anyone could smell a mile away.

Oracle, I don't think racing will go down the drain over Polytrack. If Polytrack takes off, it'll change, for sure, but it won't go down the drain. But if you're right, and handle does start to go down at tracks with Polytrack there quickly will be a cloud of synthetic stuff flying into the air as they tear the tracks up and replace them with dirt. Racing will follow the gamblers- if they don't like it, it won't catch on for long.

[slotdirt]

I just finished moving last week. I'm pretty certain I'll be unpacking for about another six months, then it'll be time to move again.

And euro, it's RatT, not Rat like Rizzo.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by oracle80

You know one of th biggest shocks to me this meet has been that patrick Biancone has been completely stone cold as ice with his babies. One thing you could always count on with Biancone was that he would send out very fast expensive babies who were all cranked up and ready to roll. They have been beyond horrible. Yesterday a very well bred and expensive NY bred two year old debuted and was just awful. All of his babies have been except City Snitch who won very nicely on opening day(he was a 2nd time starter). So last night in reviewing what had been going on up here in hopes of reversing some of these terrible narrow losses I've been taking up here I got to looking at Binacone and why he was so uncharacteristically awful. The answer why to me stood out like a sore thumb upon review.
In past years he prepped all of his stable at saratoga's legendary Oklahoma training track. Very deep and safe, its been utilized by guys like Shug, Mott, Zito, Pletcher, and Biancone for the last decade to get horses ready to roll. Those guys arrive when it opens in the spring and stay until fall. This year patrick did something different, a look at ALL of his babies showed that he chose to get them all ready to run at Turfway park with its polytrack. Only City Snitch has won, and he had raced at CD, where he lost at a short price and then was sent to saratoga for his works before his win. Its pretty obvious guys that the Polytrack preperation has left his babies without speed and stamina. Its not even debatable unless you wanna contend that ALL of his babies are just no good this year.
It simply looks as if those(including myself) who feel that polytrack is not even a distant cousin of dirt as far as how it translates to dirt form have a point. I'm going to declare right now that I will bet that Biancone's babies will start running and firing in their 2nd starts up here. Also look to play his firsters as the meet goes on after they have worked at the training track up here a few times. The only winner he had fit that profile(City Snitch) and I'm extermely confident that there will be some nice priced two year old winners to follow when they run back up here later in the meet.
Don't say i didn't warn you when this starts happening.

At first, I thought that your hypothesis was pretty good but the more I think about it, it really shouldn't make a difference what surface the horses are trained on. Horses usually either like a surface or they don't like a surface. They don't usually take time to adjust to a new surface. For example, you see horses run on the turf who have never had a single workout on the turf, yet these horses win all the time. It's not as if they run better in their second start on the turf. If they like it, they usally run good on it the first time. They don't need time to get used to it.

If horsess can train exclusively on the dirt and then run well when they race on the grass, I don't see why horses that train exclusively on polytrack would have a problem racing on regular dirt.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

At first, I thought that your hypothesis was pretty good but the more I think about it, it really shouldn't make a difference what surface the horses are trained on. Horses usually either like a surface or they don't like a surface. They don't usually take time to adjust to a new surface. For example, you see horses run on the turf who have never had a single workout on the turf, yet these horses win all the time. It's not as if they run better in their second start on the turf. If they like it, they usally run good on it the first time. They don't need time to get used to it.

If horsess can train exclusively on the dirt and then run well when they race on the grass, I don't see why horses that train exclusively on polytrack would have a problem racing on regular dirt.

Rup,
different muscle groups are used to negotiate different surfaces.