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[packerbacker7964]

to say your better is one thing but another to prove it. just find out hwre RA is running her comeback race and be there to run against her. Everytime RA sticks her arse out on a track be there with Zenny to race her

[slotdirt]

The fundamental difference in this Frost King character's argument is that...wait for it...THERE ARE NO PLAYOFFS IN HORSE RACING. Ahem.

[tector]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

The fundamental difference in this Frost King character's argument is that...wait for it...THERE ARE NO PLAYOFFS IN HORSE RACING. Ahem.

I told him that already. It had no affect on his rant.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

The fundamental difference in this Frost King character's argument is that...wait for it...THERE ARE NO PLAYOFFS IN HORSE RACING. Ahem.

Don't you get it? The Breeders' Cup is CHAMPIONSHIP DAY, just like it always was. Because nothing about it has changed for the past two renewals. Not one factor. Can't think of a thing that might make people more inclined to avoid it than they were pre-2008.

[Frost King]

Yes we do have a playoff in horse racing. You qualify for the Breeder's Cup by winning the "Win and Your In Route," or by garnering points in BC eligible races or by special invite. So you do have a playoff style system in horse racing. It all points towards the Championship Breeder's Cup Weekend. If that weekend means squat, then the whole program through the year is a sham. The whole concept of the Breeder's Cup is then useless. So why then have BC races during the season? If the end game is meaningless, then the lead up to it is also meaningless. I can understand, if a horse gets injured, but still then, do you give the MVP in baseball to a player that ends his season in July/August because he was going to be on pace for a season of all seasons? Or does it go to the guy that played to the end and put his team over the top? So before the BC, it was the toughest field that Zenyatta was going to face. So when she disposes them like they were standing still, the outcome is meaningless. You can't have both ways.

[slotdirt]

This sounds like a fellow who would also strongly advocate against a college football playoff.

[tector]

Originally Posted by Frost King

Yes we do have a playoff in horse racing. You qualify for the Breeder's Cup by winning the "Win and Your In Route," or by garnering points in BC eligible races or by special invite. So you do have a playoff style system in horse racing. It all points towards the Championship Breeder's Cup Weekend. If that weekend means squat, then the whole program through the year is a sham. The whole concept of the Breeder's Cup is then useless. So why then have BC races during the season? If the end game is meaningless, then the lead up to it is also meaningless. I can understand, if a horse gets injured, but still then, do you give the MVP in baseball to a player that ends his season in July/August because he was going to be on pace for a season of all seasons? Or does it go to the guy that played to the end and put his team over the top? So before the BC, it was the toughest field that Zenyatta was going to face. So when she disposes them like they were standing still, the outcome is meaningless. You can't have both ways.

No one said it as "meaningless". It just wasn't meaningful enough.

Is your whole life drawn in such black and whites? What a tiresome bore you must be.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Frost King

It all points towards the Championship Breeder's Cup Weekend. If that weekend means squat, then the whole program through the year is a sham. The whole concept of the Breeder's Cup is then useless. So why then have BC races during the season?

Good question.

[slotdirt]

The problem with the above argument is that there really isn't an actual "offseason" in horse racing. It's not like every single horse is on the exact same schedule and is compelled to run 16 or 82 or 162 times per year or whatever.

[Smooth Operator]

Funny thing is … if RA actually had to line up against a legit good 3yo last year … like, say, a Bernardini ... or even an Any Given Saturday … we're not even having this discussion … Z wins HotY in a unanimous vote.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Funny thing is … if RA actually had to line up against a legit good 3yo last year … like, say, a Bernardini ... or even an Any Given Saturday … we're not even having this discussion … Z wins HotY in a unanimous vote.

rachel alexandra would have no problem with any given saturday

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Funny thing is … if RA actually had to line up against a legit good 3yo last year … like, say, a Bernardini ... or even an Any Given Saturday … we're not even having this discussion … Z wins HotY in a unanimous vote.

Since we are visiting the mythical land of IF. If the Classic had been held on dirt, and Z had to face Roses In May and Flower Alley, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. RA would have won HOY by a greater margin.

[Indian Charlie]

Of course, if Zenyatta lines up against a killer like Inside Information, Ghostzapper, and probably even the aforementioned Bernardini, we are not having this discussion as well.

Unless you meant to say that RA would have beaten those horses and then even the most stubborn people would have to admit she did more than Zenyatta.

In that case, I would agree with you.

[slotdirt]

Citation would have drummed Rachel Alexandra. No way she deserved horse of the year.

[letswastemoney]

Man O War would have whipped Zenyatta

We would not even be having a discussion if that happened.

[TouchOfGrey]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Citation would have drummed Rachel Alexandra. No way she deserved horse of the year.

What does that have to do with anything?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by TouchOfGrey

What does that have to do with anything?

exactly slotdirt's point..

[Smooth Operator]

SB was the best Lucky Alexander faced all season … and he's a stayer … clearly vulnerable at anything less than ten.


AGS would've spanked LA…

[10 pnt move up]

Heck if Zenyatta had hooked up with Ashado we would not be having this conversation.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

SB was the best Lucky Alexander faced all season … and he's a stayer … clearly vulnerable at anything less than ten.


AGS would've spanked LA…

You're really skating on thin ice with this one. AGS's best race was the Haskell and RA's was better. There's just no way around it, and I was a huge (and financially less sound person because of it) AGS fan.

NT