Performance of the Weekend?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Funny that she can be 11 for 11 at 1 1/16th, her connection keep choosing to run her that distance and yet somehow it is a weak distance for her...

Gary Stevens is easily amazed

"[insert horse name here] was the best horse I ever rode"

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Theatrical

The filly was tired. She didn't switch because she was "green" all of a sudden. Many horses swap their leads when they get tired. There's a couple of pictures up of both horses at the wire. Z's ears are straight up and Switch's are back. Switch ran a terrific race, but the pictures show who was well within themelves.

Freakin Mike Smith! Hitting that poor horse 10 times in the stretch when it was so clear that she was well within herself...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by prudery

While I am in no way comparing her to Secretariat or Fager, it is noteworthy that Sec ran on the other " different surface " of that time exactly as many times as Z did, and Fager half that ...

Unless you consider a third surface that was in brief use in that era somewhere on the eastern leaky roof circuit--pea gravel .

I know you probably don't but do you realize that Dr fager and Secretariat dominated the best turf horses in training in those races? And while you personally may not have used these two horses in particular by name, if you want to call Zenyatta an all time great be prepared to be compared to those which actually belong in that class.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

A more taxing campaign might've emptied the tank too much.

I think John has her right where he wants her.


By the way, think you meant 'superior' surface…

Of course. The path of least resistance has been taken by many all time great horses in the past. I will list them below:

[prudery]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I know you probably don't but do you realize that Dr fager and Secretariat dominated the best turf horses in training in those races? And while you personally may not have used these two horses in particular by name, if you want to call Zenyatta an all time great be prepared to be compared to those which actually belong in that class.

I think Kennedy Road and Advocator will have some comparable dirt horses in the Classic for Z to run at ....

And though Fager beat him, he only hung about a head on Advocator, rather than dominating him . Nerud said he disliked the turf, so that may or may not be factored in .

Prepared, sir ...

[blackthroatedwind]

Not that prepared....

Tentam.

[prudery]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Not that prepared....

Tentam.

Him too ...

Knew you'd be in for a cameo--I'd do the same myself ...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by prudery

I think Kennedy Road and Advocator will have some comparable dirt horses in the Classic for Z to run at ....

And though Fager beat him, he only hung about a head on Advocator, rather than dominating him . Nerud said he disliked the turf, so that may or may not be factored in .

Prepared, sir ...

Tentam was a well beaten second to Secretariat in the Man O War. That year he won:
The Met Mile (Gr1)
The UN Handicap (Gr1) (at the time comparable to the Arlington Million is now)
The Governors stakes (Gr1) (track record) Race at Belmont since discontinued
The Bernard Baruch (Gr2)
The Tobboggan

Zenyatta beat Switch

Dr Fager beat not only Advocator who was a very good horse but the 3 time grass champion and Hall of Famer, Ft Marcy as well. Carrying 134 pounds.

Zenyatta beat who?

[prudery]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Tentam was a well beaten second to Secretariat in the Man O War. That year he won:
The Met Mile (Gr1)
The UN Handicap (Gr1) (at the time comparable to the Arlington Million is now)
The Governors stakes (Gr1) (track record) Race at Belmont since discontinued
The Bernard Baruch (Gr2)
The Tobboggan

Zenyatta beat Switch

Dr Fager beat not only Advocator who was a very good horse but the 3 time grass champion and Hall of Famer, Ft Marcy as well. Carrying 134 pounds.

Zenyatta beat who?

She will face the best we have at present--arguably--in the Classic --if she beats them all, you will know who ...

Nothing like the past, and out of the safety zone only twice--I agree .

As you know, yesterday's horses carried more, did more and tried more ...

Wish it weren't so ...

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Tentam was a well beaten second to Secretariat in the Man O War. That year he won:
The Met Mile (Gr1)
The UN Handicap (Gr1) (at the time comparable to the Arlington Million is now)
The Governors stakes (Gr1) (track record) Race at Belmont since discontinued
The Bernard Baruch (Gr2)
The Tobboggan

Zenyatta beat Switch

Dr Fager beat not only Advocator who was a very good horse but the 3 time grass champion and Hall of Famer, Ft Marcy as well. Carrying 134 pounds.

Zenyatta beat who?

Secretariat also beat Big Spruce, who won the San Luis Rey and finished second to Dahlia in the D.C. International that year.

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Secretariat also beat Big Spruce, who won the San Luis Rey and finished second to Dahlia in the D.C. International that year.

But he couldn't win races that started with the letter "W"

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Freakin Mike Smith! Hitting that poor horse 10 times in the stretch when it was so clear that she was well within herself...

Really? She's now supposed to win without having the use of the whip? She's supposed to run down a horse, that had gotten just about the best possible trip imaginable, EASILY? Is that where we are with Z now?

What other horses are held to similar standards?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Really? She's now supposed to win without having the use of the whip? She's supposed to run down a horse, that had gotten just about the best possible trip imaginable, EASILY? Is that where we are with Z now?

What other horses are held to similar standards?

You've become so badly brainwashed that you actually took that post seriously.

God is that sad.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Freakin Mike Smith! Hitting that poor horse 10 times in the stretch when it was so clear that she was well within herself...

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Really? She's now supposed to win without having the use of the whip? She's supposed to run down a horse, that had gotten just about the best possible trip imaginable, EASILY? Is that where we are with Z now?

What other horses are held to similar standards?

Sarcasm alert

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Are you seriously offering up her age as an excuse as to why she will lose?

You lose... you lose, it happens.

I know I dont walk and breath around horses like you do but you can take this as a fact and it aint no guess, she is not quite as good as last year. I suspect its the age, maybe its the feed, who the **** knows.

I still say she jogs if all she has to beat is what ran last weekend, I have seen little that has impressed me this season.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

You lose... you lose, it happens.

I know I dont walk and breath around horses like you do but you can take this as a fact and it aint no guess, she is not quite as good as last year. I suspect its the age, maybe its the feed, who the **** knows.

I still say she jogs if all she has to beat is what ran last weekend, I have seen little that has impressed me this season.

While she may not be as good as she was last year (who can tell?), being 6 as opposed to 5 or 7 shouldnt really matter. And i don't know what your version of jogged is but she is going to have to be a whole lot better than she was last weekend to win the Classic.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

she is going to have to be a whole lot better than she was last weekend to win the Classic.

I really hope so.

I hope she either takes a huge step forward, runs a 120 BSF out of nowhere and beats the field by 8-10 lengths.....OR......runs the way she did on Saturday, (and most days) and finishes a well-beaten 5th.

The one thing I really hope does NOT happen is that the race goes like this:

1) A speed battle develops early wiping out the frontrunners.....
2) Blame and QR really end up just not wanting 10f.....
3) Lookin at Lucky is not 100% or finds some of the traffic that he has in the past.....


and so.....Zenyatta chugs up to win by a nose, running what should be a 95 BSF....and then gets hailed as the greatest athlete in the history of the universe.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I really hope so.

I hope she either takes a huge step forward, runs a 120 BSF out of nowhere and beats the field by 8-10 lengths.....OR......runs the way she did on Saturday, (and most days) and finishes a well-beaten 5th.

The one thing I really hope does NOT happen is that the race goes like this:

1) A speed battle develops early wiping out the frontrunners.....
2) Blame and QR really end up just not wanting 10f.....
3) Lookin at Lucky is not 100% or finds some of the traffic that he has in the past.....


and so.....Zenyatta chugs up to win by a nose, running what should be a 95 BSF....and then gets hailed as the greatest athlete in the history of the universe.

I like this thought process.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Nice looking animal … but not sure what was so impressive about the NY-bred yesterday.

Allowed to run by himself thru slow early splits

Yeah, that was awesome.

He'll probably turn back into FC at CD…

Nothing impressive at all. Paceless race, leads to this... Nothing more.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You've become so badly brainwashed that you actually took that post seriously.

God is that sad.

......i hope zen scratches so this b.s continues another year