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Old 02-26-2011, 05:33 PM
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I would have never thought Soldat would be the favorite when the gates opened.
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Old 02-26-2011, 05:34 PM
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VERY disappointed in THAS........ I understand that maybe he wasn't 100%, but he should have run better than he did. If I'm Mott, I don't even consider the Derby with him. I doubt he got anything out of this race, not enough for him to run 1 1/4 miles in May
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VERY disappointed in THAS........ I understand that maybe he wasn't 100%, but he should have run better than he did. If I'm Mott, I don't even consider the Derby with him. I doubt he got anything out of this race, not enough for him to run 1 1/4 miles in May
Do you ever give it a rest?
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On another note, War Front is off to an unbelievable start as a sire.
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VERY disappointed in THAS........ I understand that maybe he wasn't 100%, but he should have run better than he did. If I'm Mott, I don't even consider the Derby with him. I doubt he got anything out of this race, not enough for him to run 1 1/4 miles in May
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Old 02-26-2011, 05:37 PM
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On another note, War Front is off to an unbelievable start as a sire.


pomeroy too along with first sam
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Old 02-26-2011, 05:37 PM
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VERY disappointed in THAS........ I understand that maybe he wasn't 100%, but he should have run better than he did. If I'm Mott, I don't even consider the Derby with him. I doubt he got anything out of this race, not enough for him to run 1 1/4 miles in May
I never even understood the love this horse got from fans and media in the first place.

Who knows though. Maybe something happened to him, or he didn't like the track.
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Old 02-26-2011, 05:38 PM
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Betsy. The obstinate aspect, which was suggested in a humorous vein, is not that you're disagreeing with me.. There's nothing to disagree about with me as I have no opinion on the decision itself. I don't care what KMc and Darley do with Crossbow. I was only trying to explain the thought process and why/where particulars involved in decision-making of this kind and its' merits. I'll give you Kiaran McLaughlin's or Jimmy Bell's contact info if you want. You can explain their folly to them.

Steve, just have Casey give Betsy the phone book, now she needs Mott's #. Steve didn't Mott rell EVERYONE the FOY was not going to be the colts finest hour?
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Old 02-26-2011, 05:40 PM
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I never even understood the love this horse got from fans and media in the first place.

Who knows though. Maybe something happened to him, or he didn't like the track.
What didn't you like about his performance as a 2 year old?

Also, I remember Indomitable Drug wondering if Bernardini took after his dam in siring relatively precocious horses (she didn't do so well past her juvenile year).............and maybe he's right. So far, about 15th on the 2nd crop sires list and I can count the number of his horses on one hand that have shown real promise this year. Of course it's too early to say they haven't trained on, but it's something to keep an eye on.
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pomeroy too along with first sam

How is First Samurai off to a great start? He has 2 SW, one of which, Le Mi Geauz, hasn't run well since she won that stakes in NY. He's off to an ok start, but nothing special.
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Old 02-26-2011, 05:42 PM
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On another note, War Front is off to an unbelievable start as a sire.
Does he have any other interesting horses beyond TF and Soldat?
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Old 02-26-2011, 05:43 PM
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What didn't you like about his performance as a 2 year old?

Also, I remember Indomitable Drug wondering if Bernardini took after his dam in siring relatively precocious horses (she didn't do so well past her juvenile year).............and maybe he's right. So far, about 15th on the 2nd crop sires list and I can count the number of his horses on one hand that have shown real promise this year. Of course it's too early to say they haven't trained on, but it's something to keep an eye on.
You need Byk to get you Moss's # now to have them abort Zenyatta's foal?
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LATE money thrown down on Soldat made him the 7/5 favorite.
Soldat was trading actively in betting exchanges at 7/5 early on in the betting ... a stream of fish came along and kept nibbling at the bait and slowly he was trading almost as high as 5/2. With about 2 minutes to go - someone looking to lock in 2.00-to-1 on him came in and offered 4K to layers at that price.

You could have got To Honor And Serve at 2/1 late in the betting. A Soldat backer or maybe a few of them - played it very well in the exchanges.
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What exactly is your problem? I get that THAS wasn't going to be 100%, but he really ran a very poor race. He was factious in the gate for one.........he almost seemed a bit rank early. I had expected him to blow by Soldat, but then I really thought going in he was a very good horse. Do you really think that Mott can get this horse ready for 1 1/4 after his next start? He's got a lot of questions to answer now.
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Does he have any other interesting horses beyond TF and Soldat?
The Phipps the other day is a War Front
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Steve, just have Casey give Betsy the phone book, now she needs Mott's #. Steve didn't Mott rell EVERYONE the FOY was not going to be the colts finest hour?
He was finished at the 5/16 pole.
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Does he have any other interesting horses beyond TF and Soldat?
A ton of allowance/maiden winners it seems - Data Link for one.
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Old 02-26-2011, 05:45 PM
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He was finished at the 5/16 pole.


Yes, that was not a good sign. I don't think Mott expected THAS to run that poorly; there's a difference between not being 100% and just being bad. Had it been just a matter of not being totally cranked, the colt would have been beaten maybe a couple of lengths or so; instead he faded badly.
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Old 02-26-2011, 05:46 PM
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What didn't you like about his performance as a 2 year old?

Also, I remember Indomitable Drug wondering if Bernardini took after his dam in siring relatively precocious horses (she didn't do so well past her juvenile year).............and maybe he's right. So far, about 15th on the 2nd crop sires list and I can count the number of his horses on one hand that have shown real promise this year. Of course it's too early to say they haven't trained on, but it's something to keep an eye on.
He just did not impress me in the same way he impressed others.

He got the softest of trips and he I don't think he finished as well off those easy setups as he should have, for a horse of his hype.

I didn't think he sucked or anything though.

As for Bernardini, who knows how good he'll be, but right now he's the odds on choice to be the sire of a triple crown winner in 2015!
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