8/26 (SAR): 148th Travers Day (5 G1's, G2 undercard)

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

These commentators are lazy. Irap went wire-to-wire in the Blue Grass and took advantage of a paceless race?

Lol

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Lol

Sharp move by Mike Smith to gun for the lead. That horse had never shown that kind of speed in his stakes races (but did in some of his others). The race was sort of indecipherable because of the pace scenario. Didn't have faith that Always Dreaming would have the mustard despite the speed advantage.

On the other hand, Rosario was nuts with Good Samaritan nearly 20 lengths of the pace. There was no pace on paper, why would he stay so far back? The sad part is, the horse came rolling when finally asked which to me suggests that he has gears and is not reliant on a pace meltdown. Perhaps if he had Gunnevera's or maybe even Irap's trip he could have made a dent.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Sharp move by Mike Smith to gun for the lead. That horse had never shown that kind of speed in his stakes races (but did in some of his others). The race was sort of indecipherable because of the pace scenario. Didn't have faith that Always Dreaming would have the mustard despite the speed advantage.

On the other hand, Rosario was nuts with Good Samaritan nearly 20 lengths of the pace. There was no pace on paper, why would he stay so far back? The sad part is, the horse came rolling when finally asked which to me suggests that he has gears and is not reliant on a pace meltdown. Perhaps if he had Gunnevera or maybe even Irap's trip he could have made a dent.

I agree with all of this. My father boxed 3,5 and we both feel Rosario gave the 5 way to much to do.
Mike won the race right out of the gate.

[cakes44]

Songbird actually won. You idiots just haven't seen the real photo.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Songbird actually won. You idiots just haven't seen the real photo.

[10 pnt move up]

WTF has happened to Cloud Computing and Always Dreaming. How fluke were those Derby and Preakness wins?

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

WTF has happened to Cloud Computing and Always Dreaming. How fluke were those Derby and Preakness wins?

Always Dreaming = Super Saver

[RHT2004]

108 beyer for West Coast. Massive performance. Clear cut leader of this division at this point.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

108 beyer for West Coast. Massive performance. Clear cut leader of this division at this point.

Forever Unbridled then gets a what, 98? race was definitely not fast.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Forever Unbridled then gets a what, 98? race was definitely not fast.

101-103? Probably big timeform considering the crawl she ran into.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

101-103? Probably big timeform considering the crawl she ran into.

I dont think it was the crawl, think it was average for 9 F

The travers pace was a little more solid though.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I dont think it was the crawl, think it was average for 9 F

The travers pace was a little more solid though.

It was pretty slow and absolutely uncontested.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

It was pretty slow and absolutely uncontested.

we will see what timeform has to say, i trust them, no offense. it was uncontested

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

we will see what timeform has to say, i trust them, no offense. it was uncontested

Craig tweeted something along the lines of a fast overall race based on the final time. None taken at all. They are super sharp at TF.

[gamblin4ever]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

No, the mistake was turning a dirt race into a turf race. You take a speed horse and go slow, sure if you are not the dead ass chalk its a good move, with a filly that can really run you use your speed so the closers have to work to keep in touch so they dont finish.

That was like watching the Balston Spa that will happen today.

I bet the 4, pretty good I might add, but that was a very bad ride by Mike Smith, he knows better.

I believe Smith cost Songbird the win by not knowing where FU was, and when talking with Donna Brothers, he gave Rosario credit for keeping FU out wide.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by gamblin4ever

I believe Smith cost Songbird the win by not knowing where FU was, and when talking with Donna Brothers, he gave Rosario credit for keeping FU out wide.

hard to say, the battle was lost, the war is not over yet.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

101-103? Probably big timeform considering the crawl she ran into.

If you look at her races, the slower the pace, the better she runs.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

If you look at her races, the slower the pace, the better she runs.

That SHOULD indicate something to you.

[10 pnt move up]

The race got a 121 for the winner on Tus, I would imagine its the same figure or slightly better for Songbird.

Its a competitive figure in any race that will be run this year.

You have to wonder though, with real pace, and not sure when were going to see that, if Forever Unbridled does move up even more so. Tough to say, she may enjoy races that are more run like turf events.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

That SHOULD indicate something to you.

I was referring to forever unbridled ya dope ya