Five New Grade I Races in 2007; Two Others Drop to Grade II

Originally Posted by oracle80

Even fewer. You'd have no owners or breeders, seriously.
Whos gonna breed or own at the highets level when you turn a next to impossible situation(making money in the game) into a completely hopeless one.
You don't get it. You really don't. We can't get or keep new owners now, what the **** would they get in the game for or stay in the game for if you get three cracks a year at a grade one.
You really can't be that stupid can you?

Why do you think we cant get new owners now? Maybe it is because they cant afford it. Hmmm......you have to change something. Increasing purses just over values the horse so horses are overpriced. You dont get it Oracle.

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Wouldn't G2 winners just become more valuable? You'd probably have horses ducking the G1's then to try and get an easy win in a G2 when the top horses are all running in one of the G1s.

No because you would reduce the number of Grade II and III races.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Why do you think we cant get new owners now? Maybe it is because they cant afford it. Hmmm......you have to change something. Increasing purses just over values the horse so horses are overpriced. You dont get it Oracle.

LOL!!!!
So you are proposing the complete destruction of the economic foundation of horse racing as a proposed means of salvation? In order to see three "exciting" races a year?
Umm, lets get this to head honchos as soon as possible. I'm sure they will be very interested.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Heck make the three Grade I races worth $5mm each. But having 107 Grade I races is a total joke. Giving a horse a Grade I status like Wagon Limit and Seek Gold is ridiculous.

Seek Gold deserves Grade I status because he beat every horse in that field on THAT day. Are you saying that the Stephen Foster shouldn't be a Grade I because of one year with a fluky finish?

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Seek Gold deserves Grade I status because he beat every horse in that field on THAT day. Are you saying that the Stephen Foster shouldn't be a Grade I because of one year with a fluky finish?

I musta been absent the day in business class when the professor taught that you needed to destroy the ecomony of a sector in order to get it to really take off!!!

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Seek Gold deserves Grade I status because he beat every horse in that field on THAT day. Are you saying that the Stephen Foster shouldn't be a Grade I because of one year with a fluky finish?

No Cajun I am not saying that. I am saying that the field would have been totally different if the SF was only 1 of 3 Grade I races in 2006. Now if he beat a field of 12 horses then sure give him a Grade I status. However he did beat a field of 9. However, I think a field that included Lava Man, Invasor, Premium Tap instead of Love Of Money, MB Sea and Wiggins is a little more attractive.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Of course if there was no BC we likely wouldn't have ever seen Lava Man, Invasor, and Bernardini ever race against each other this year. Bernardini would have been retired after the JCGC and Invasor would have probably run in the Clark. Lava Man might have gone up for the $1 million turf race in Canada. About the only other difference in their schedules is that Invasor might have run in the Woodward this year.

Before the BC, the best horses travelled to meet and compete. The JCGC WAS the BCC. It was the big event for which every top older horse pointed yearlong. The "Belmont Fall Championship Meet" used to mean something. Remember, the NY race schedule was changed by the BC. The Gold Cup was in late Oct or early Nov and they ran the Governors, the Marlboro and the Woodward leading up to it!

Originally Posted by oracle80

I musta been absent the day in business class when the professor taught that you needed to destroy the ecomony of a sector in order to get it to really take off!!!

You wouldnt destroy it....you would enhance it. Tell me one sector that has improved by throwing money at it. And maybe you were at home reading teh DRF the day they went over this issue.

Originally Posted by Linny

Before the BC, the best horses travelled to meet and compete. The JCGC WAS the BCC. It was the big event for which every top older horse pointed yearlong. The "Belmont Fall Championship Meet" used to mean something. Remember, the NY race schedule was changed by the BC. The Gold Cup was in late Oct or early Nov and they ran the Governors, the Marlboro and the Woodward leading up to it!

Yes, I remember. Look at this years field at Belmont. 4 Grade I's with a total of like what--32 horses?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Linny

Before the BC, the best horses travelled to meet and compete. The JCGC WAS the BCC. It was the big event for which every top older horse pointed yearlong. The "Belmont Fall Championship Meet" used to mean something. Remember, the NY race schedule was changed by the BC. The Gold Cup was in late Oct or early Nov and they ran the Governors, the Marlboro and the Woodward leading up to it!

I think we lost the Governor's before the BC but I might be wrong. I have a hard time remembering it after they stiffed Forego is 1975.

However, I agree with EVERYTHING else. Of course I have been criticizing the BC, and what it has done for racing, for a LONG time.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

You wouldnt destroy it....you would enhance it. Tell me one sector that has improved by throwing money at it. And maybe you were at home reading teh DRF the day they went over this issue.

LOL!!!!
You have to be kidding right?
How about Nascar genius? Doh!!!

Originally Posted by oracle80

LOL!!!!
You have to be kidding right?
How about Nascar genius? Doh!!!

You have got to be kidding me with this one Oracle. NASCAR threw money at marketing. Investing in the marketing of the sport is vastly different from throwing money at the purse structure. If you took just the PURSE money and not the AWARD money in a race you will see a HUGE difference. A driver who finishes 1st in a race would only get about $65k-$75k (based on the purse). The rest of the money comes from the bonus program and 25% from TV revenue. If you look at the history of the PURSE money only in NASCAR you will find that NASCAR has actually decreased the dollars they contribute to the PURSE money. The money the drivers make in PURSES is nothing. They make the majority of the money from sponsors and the bonus program NOT THE PURSE MONEY.

You forget I live in INDY (the race car capital of the world--well use to be).

[JJP]

The Prioress has been the worst grade 1 in North America the past three years and never gets downgraded. Somebody in NY must have pictures on somebody.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by JJP

The Prioress has been the worst grade 1 in North America the past three years and never gets downgraded. Somebody in NY must have pictures on somebody.

Actually that's highly debatable. While I think it's status should be lowered, it was a highly entertaining race this year, and one of the better betting opportunities in a Grade 1 this year. However, that isn't a reason to keep it a Grade 1, and even though it is the ONLY Grade 1 at 6F restricted to 3YO fillies in America, it still should be downgraded. I just don't believe that group deserves a Grade 1 ranking. But, if you do, then the Prioress is the correct race.

[Linny]

Any given running of a race can be bad, relative to it's general class. A bad (relatively) horse can win a good race and get G1 status. Broker's Tip won one race in his life, the Kentucky Derby. He was a bad horse who won a race that we today call G1.
The graded stake committee is supposed to look past one poor running of any race and use a multi year sample. That's why I cannot understand the change in the Clark. Last year's running was important enough for it to get G1 this year, but now it's downgraded. Were they just bummed that Magna Graduate didn't train on? It makes no sense. I think that one a grade is assigned, they should let it stand for at least 2 years to let trainers work it into their schedules.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Heck make the three Grade I races worth $5mm each. But having 107 Grade I races is a total joke. Giving a horse a Grade I status like Wagon Limit and Seek Gold is ridiculous.

I may be bit biased but the field that Wagon Limit beat in the Gold Cup was a pretty good group especially in light of current runnings. He may not have been a great horse or sire but he certainly was grade 1 calibur that day.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Actually that's highly debatable. While I think it's status should be lowered, it was a highly entertaining race this year, and one of the better betting opportunities in a Grade 1 this year. However, that isn't a reason to keep it a Grade 1, and even though it is the ONLY Grade 1 at 6F restricted to 3YO fillies in America, it still should be downgraded. I just don't believe that group deserves a Grade 1 ranking. But, if you do, then the Prioress is the correct race.

I NEVER forget when Roussel send his filly, In Secure, to the Prioress. F'n Chavez tried timing the rail opening up and almost got thrown into the infield because she was moving so fast. She was 13/1 that day, it was my first time I had ever put 200WP on a horse over 6/1.......I never got a bigger rush in my life for losing $400. I am still not sure if she would have beaten House Party that day, but with the trip she was getting, if she would have gotten through, the rush would have even been greater

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by merasmag

this thread is now just pitiful-censor me, erase me, u look like guys arguing about dungeons and dragons

I vote erase.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by merasmag

where is kentessa when u need him??? maybe u and cannon shell can go recount votes for santorum

Maybe you can move to North Korea