Top 25 3yo's 1987-2007 - Page 7

philcski · #**121** 02-26-2008, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

What is the second?

Malibu.

Indian Charlie · #**122** 02-26-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Yes... 3rd start. Which, to be honest, isn't THAT great of an achievement, in fact this year I believe the winner did the same thing (and he isn't much).

I respectfully disagree he was better as a 3YO than a lot of the ones listed here- he was a pedestrian 6-3-0-2 with a maiden win, the Queens Plate, and the Jim Dandy- potential notwithstanding. However, his 4YO campaign was about as good as it gets. Trust me, he's one of my personal favorites and I'm thrilled he's doing so well at stud...

well, on paper, yeah, he wasnt the greatest 3yo of the last 20 years, that's for certain. still, at the end of his 3yo campaign, i'd have taken him over MANY on these lists.

SniperSB23 · #**123** 02-26-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Malibu.

Ah yes, the 3yo stakes that is part of a 4yo series. Easy to forget.

blackthroatedwind · #**124** 02-26-2008, 02:37 PM

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Ah yes, the 3yo stakes that is part of a 4yo series. Easy to forget.

Is this " stubborn " for " Thanks, I forgot about that one? "

The Bid · #**125** 02-26-2008, 02:37 PM

He would have won the Malibu healthy, he would have won the BCS healthy.

King Glorious · #**126** 02-26-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Here are six horses from 1987 that were clearly better 3YOs than Lost in the Fog.....

Alysheba
Bet Twice
Gulch
Java Gold
Cryptoclearance
Gone West

and Lost Code and Polish Navy were probably better.

Well, as you know, I believe this was the greatest crop ever. But let me ask you something. How sure can we be that these horses were better than Fog? Under 8f, probably the only one that could have beaten him was Gulch. I wouldn't take Java Gold or Alysheba or Cryptoclearance to beat Fog at 7f anymore than I would take Fog to beat them at 9f. They competed in different games. I think it would be fairer to compare him to Jazzing Around, Templar Hill, and Well Selected, horses that were among the best 3yo sprinters that year (won the Riva Ridge, King's Bishop, and Hutcheson, respectively.)

philcski · #**127** 02-26-2008, 02:38 PM

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well, on paper, yeah, he wasnt the greatest 3yo of the last 20 years, that's for certain. still, at the end of his 3yo campaign, i'd have taken him over MANY on these lists.

You ever visit Adena? Great facility, and some awesome stallions. AA loves the attention, GZ not so much... not to mention El Prado, Congaree, Alphabet Soup, etc.

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Ah yes, the 3yo stakes that is part of a 4yo series. Easy to forget.

That's why you have me around.

blackthroatedwind · #**128** 02-26-2008, 02:39 PM

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Well, as you know, I believe this was the greatest crop ever. But let me ask you something. How sure can we be that these horses were better than Fog? Under 8f, probably the only one that could have beaten him was Gulch. I wouldn't take Java Gold or Alysheba or Cryptoclearance to beat Fog at 7f anymore than I would take Fog to beat them at 9f. They competed in different games. I think it would be fairer to compare him to Jazzing Around, Templar Hill, and Well Selected, horses that were among the best 3yo sprinters that year (won the Riva Ridge, King's Bishop, and Hutcheson, respectively.)

Java Gold would have drowned him at 7F as would have Bet Twice. The others? Maybe. However, while I understand the point you are trying to make I think in overall talent they were better. They were, IMO, better at what they did than he was at what he did.

SniperSB23 · #**129** 02-26-2008, 02:40 PM

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Is this " stubborn " for " Thanks, I forgot about that one? "

That combined with the BC altering the calendar so much that I've come to think of the racing season ending on Thanksgiving weekend.

blackthroatedwind · #**130** 02-26-2008, 02:41 PM

I couldn't figure out which race it was either.

Indian Charlie · #**131** 02-26-2008, 02:42 PM

i'm pretty sure on the line was from this same crop as well, and he would have kicked lost in the fog's ass, at any distance from 3f to 10f.

justindew · #**132** 02-26-2008, 02:42 PM

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Look, I liked Lost in the Fog, he was a neat horse and I respect that he shipped all over the country and ran in many of the important spots for 3YOs. It wasn't his fault that his competition was weak. But, I think there is a canyon of difference between his actual talent and his perceived talent.

Would the Beyer folks agree with you on this?

blackthroatedwind · #**133** 02-26-2008, 02:43 PM

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i'm pretty sure on the line was from this same crop as well, and he would have kicked lost in the fog's ass, at any distance from 3f to 10f.

Here's another one that would have drowned him in sprints in 1987.......Afleet.

Indian Charlie · #**134** 02-26-2008, 02:44 PM

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Here's another one that would have drowned him in sprints in 1987.......Afleet.

lost code

blackthroatedwind · #**135** 02-26-2008, 02:45 PM

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Would the Beyer folks agree with you on this?

For the most part. As was pointed out, he ran a couple of fast races, but for the most part he was nowhere near as fast as made out to be. Discreet Cat ran as fast as Lost in the Fog, on the same day, in his 2YO debut.