Report: Dutrow Facing Drug Positive

[Cannon Shell]

petagram


petagram (plural petagrams)

A unit of mass equal to 1,000,000,000,000,000 grams. Symbol: Pg

41 doesnt sound like much

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

petagram


petagram (plural petagrams)

A unit of mass equal to 1,000,000,000,000,000 grams. Symbol: Pg

41 doesnt sound like much

But only 20 is allowed....

Top article listed on ESPN now.
Great...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Scav

But only 20 is allowed....

20 doesnt sound like much either. Hey a bad test is a bad test but it is a stretch to say that 21 extra petagrams would help or be dangerous to a horse. Especially considering it is 1,000,000,000,000,000th of a gram.

[Cannon Shell]

Strange that PETAgram is the level tested for...

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It was depressing. I mean being second was fine (though I'm sure Scuds will find something I did wrong) but that was terrible. One disadvantage that KY has is no statebred races to fall back on hence these debacles. I had to get out of CD asap because 1) it was like being at a funeral, there couldnt have been 300 people there and 2) they were 4 races short of drawing from Sat's card and i didnt want to get cornered by the Racing sec. Plus i am trying the Krebs theory of posting to try to get my horses to run better.

With an apparently thin horse population and/or trainers running elsewhere because of the purse cuts, why does Churchill keep insisting on running these 10 and 11 race cards? It seems that every day, the first five or six races have been cobbled-together short fields, with one short-priced winner after another. That meet is virtually unplayable.

[Cannon Shell]

I am going to go to the barn to care for my organic, drug free, free stall equine friends. Anyone wishing to insult, condemn, or maim my professional or personal status is welcome (except PG1985) and the dude that think there are nails in the whips. I shall be responding in a few hours. i'm sure you cant wait...

[blackthroatedwind]

Anybody's barn get raided at Monmouth?

The trainers need to wear ankle bracelets. That will allow us to keep tabs on them so we can know what they are up to.

[Antitrust32]

PG1985 would never say anything bad to you... chuckles!!!!!

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I understand what you are saying. But when a guy like Jackson is calling for medication reform while at the same time his main trainer is a guy who is coming off of a 6 month suspension (there is a reason that this was a 6 month suspension) it is hard for me to take anything he says as anything but lip service. And I understand what the hell is going on. How do you explain that to Congress who seemingly "forgot" to ask Mr Jackson about his association with SA. I have nothing against either party but it hard to explain his "do as I say, not as i do " attitude. There is a reason that Barry Bonds is not playing this year and it has a whole lot less to do with his ability than it does with the black cloud that he lives under. And he never failed one test. Imagine if while he was playing there the owner of the Giants makes a big public proclamation about how we need to rid the sport of cheaters and drug users? The guy would be roasted across the country as a grade 1 hypocrite. Maybe I am naive as Freddy said but I would like to see a big owner (other than IEAH) make a statement with their actions. Not the lip service that we currently get. It is America, you can choose your trainers however you please. But for us to get right, owners have to take more responsibility for the actions of their trainer. You want to talk about the rest of the industry but I dont see how anyone else can make a statement without reprecussions. Hell you will be lauded as internet champions forever.

Chuck, yes, I agree with you. However, where does the line get drawn on the difference between Jackson and me? He's using Steve Asmussen and I am using Scott Lake. OK, maybe he has dozens with Steve and I have one with Scott. Does that make me any less of a hypocrite? His horse is Curlin, and mine is a beaten 5 at Pimlico or Penn National. I just don't know.

So, I don't give horses to Scott Lake. I give them to this other trainer I referenced. The guy shoots 25% meet after meet. Wins races. Steps up horses. Wins at 35% off the claim. And so on. Now do people critisize my because I am using a "super trainer" who "they just know is cheating" and who just hasn't got caught yet? How many people to I have to satisfy? Where does it end.

Regardless, I agree about Jackson. Let's remember that Jackson, originally, was calling for transparency. That was his motivation and agenda. It wasn't until various people in the industry realized that: a) he had a voice that would be heard and, b) that he would get the appropriate forum; and then they started to him to further the agenda of medication reform.

Listen, there are people who will give Dutrow, Lake, Asmussen, and others, horses. I have always said that if Scott Lake gets a positive for some designer, exotic, secret, whatever you want to call it drug -- in reality it shouldn't happen just once if that was the key or secret to his success. Now it's known, there should or could be a test. The walls should come crumbling down. His barn(s) should fall apart. However, I have always said that if a trainer of mine comes up positive for one of these ILLEGAL, designer, exotic, etc. drugs -- I will pull horses from him/her. However, again, and I will always ask -- is that the absolute I have to live by and run my business. If the industry wants to rid itself of Trainer X -- and someone sabotages a horse, feed, or something. Do I still live in the world of absolute.

More importantly, would you want me to if you were my trainer, I had horses with you, and you were Trainer X. Hypohtetical? Yes. Could it be reality? Yes, unfortunately it can be.

Eric

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I am going to go to the barn to care for my organic, drug free, free stall equine friends. Anyone wishing to insult, condemn, or maim my professional or personal status is welcome (except PG1985) and the dude that think there are nails in the whips. I shall be responding in a few hours. i'm sure you cant wait...

barbed wire....

and if you loved your horses you would set them free.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

barbed wire....

and if you loved your horses you would set them free.

That's enough missy...Chuck is already off the deep end today

[BillW]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

petagram


petagram (plural petagrams)

A unit of mass equal to 1,000,000,000,000,000 grams. Symbol: Pg

41 doesnt sound like much

Leave it to the press. A petagram is about 2,204,622,621,800 lbs. A horse would probably explode with an injection of that size. Could they be talking about a picogram (.001 billionths) or a femtogram ( .000001 billionths of a gram)?

Oh BTW, a petagram doesn't need a plural, there's nothing that big.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by BillW

Leave it to the press. A petagram is about 2,204,622,621,800 lbs. A horse would probably explode with an injection of that size. Could they be talking about a picogram (.001 billionths) or a femtogram ( .000001 billionths of a gram)?

Oh BTW, a petagram doesn't need a plural, there's nothing that big.

that might get you 30 days in KY

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by ELA

Enforcable ones? Yes, absolutely. I have said that numerous times. Delaware tried to do this but added a stipulation (or more) that was not practical nor enforcable -- downright not fair.

The trainer resposibility rule operates within the confines and parameters of an industry. You cannot ask me as owner or expect me to control who my suspended trainer does business with -- Delaware tried to do this. You cannot expect me as an owner to control who my suspended trainer talks to on the phone. That's on the trainer -- NOT ME! You can only expect and control what the trainer does -- or penalize him/her for what they did and weren't supposed to.

Expect something realistic of me and pass it. Make it feasible, practical and most of all address the other parts of this problem. Don't neglect the rest of the problem and just blame it on the owners.

If you think this problem is exclusively the fault of the owners, then you are sadly mistaken or ignorant.

Eric

I didn't say, infer or imply owners are exclusively culpable. And frankly, if horses that were under prior care of a suspended trainer have to be transferred in order to run, who cares what persons that suspended trainer talks to?

I am in favor of suspending and fining owners as well as trainers when violations occur. I also favor requiring all horses nder prior care of a suspended trainer be transferred (and not to an existing assistant) in order to run.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I didn't say, infer or imply owners are exclusively culpable. And frankly, if horses that were under prior care of a suspended trainer have to be transferred in order to run, who cares what persons that suspended trainer talks to?

I am in favor of suspending and fining owners as well as trainers when violations occur. I also favor requiring all horses nder prior care of a suspended trainer be transferred (and not to an existing assistant) in order to run.

First time violations?

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by BillW

Leave it to the press. A petagram is about 2,204,622,621,800 lbs. A horse would probably explode with an injection of that size. Could they be talking about a picogram (.001 billionths) or a femtogram ( .000001 billionths of a gram)?

Oh BTW, a petagram doesn't need a plural, there's nothing that big.

classic.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by GBBob

First time violations?

Yes. How would it be better to wait?

I own a horse. I hire a trainer. I pay the trainer. I give him authority to treat my horse with medications. There are rules about medications. If my trainer breaks rules with my horse while acting under my authority, should I get a pass?

How is it much different from any other principal-agent relationship?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Yes. How would it be better to wait?

I own a horse. I hire a trainer. I pay the trainer. I give him authority to treat my horse with medications. There are rules about medications. If my trainer breaks rules with my horse while acting under my authority, should I get a pass?

How is it much different from any other principal-agent relationship?

But you can't be responsible for something you have no control of or knowledge of. If society worked under that premise, parents would go to jail for their minor child's felony conviction, a team's trainer would be punished for every steroid violation, etc. Accountability is one thing, but fair is fair.

Should the owner of the Jeremy Rose horse be accountable for his actions? How about the trainer?