Who Is Horse Of The Year?

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Oh yea and this just proved that you have a racing iq of like zero. Ducked Zenyatta are you mentally retarded. The decision was made that Rachel would not race on polycrap before they even bought her. Zenyatta didnt even decide to race in the classic until a week before the race, well after Rachel was shut down for the year. You act like Zenyattas pus sy owners had her planned to go the classic all year long, they were shi*ting their pants making the decision to put her in there.

You my fine sir are what we call a complete idiot.

Stick and stones, sticks and stones. Clearly you are Bummed at the whole thing. The bright side is that in 3 weeks you will have forgotten what really happened and be racking up leaves waiting for Santa. Cheers.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Ill tell the story of how Zenyatta ducked, bobbed, weaved and avoided all major races an entire lifetime then picked a spot to go against the boys, with home field advantage against a group of unproven horses on polycrap in which all of them were spinning their wheels at the top of the stretch.
Rachel did more in just two races this year than Zenyatta did in an entire lifetime.

Interesting that it's perfectly OK for you to use the same words you hate when someone mentions ducked in reference to Rachel... that you are now on a campaign of running down Zenyatta to further RA in the public's eye, do you recognize what she did on Sat will probably not be seen the rest of our lifetime?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

Stick and stones, sticks and stones. Clearly you are Bummed at the whole thing. The bright side is that in 3 weeks you will have forgotten what really happened and be racking up leaves waiting for Santa. Cheers.

All he is resorted to now is namecalling, and running down Zenyatta to try to prove a point, it's pure desperation on his part.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

Stick and stones, sticks and stones. Clearly you are Bummed at the whole thing. The bright side is that in 3 weeks you will have forgotten what really happened and be racking up leaves waiting for Santa. Cheers.

Bummed for what? I know who the better horse is and deserves end of year honors. I just find it sad that I cant enjoy what Zenyatta did because of a couple tools on here cant take a step back and put into perspective what really happened as a whole this year and what Rachel really accomplished in her once in a lifetime campaign for a 3yr old filly.
It's too bad people on here cant just talk of Zen and her accomplishment without bashing Rachel and trying to diminish the year she had. To say anything other then what Rachel did this year was spectacular and unmatchable is complete nonsense.
Zenyatta's year will be matched wayyyyyy quicker then Rachels ever will. Im willing to bet there will never be a 3yr old filly that will ever accomplish what Rachel did this year.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by CSC

Interesting that it's perfectly OK for you to use the same words you hate when someone mentions ducked in reference to Rachel... that you are now on a campaign of running down Zenyatta to further RA in the public's eye, do you recognize what she did on Sat will probably not be seen the rest of our lifetime?

Dude me running down???? Are you kidding me ZERO IQ boy. You've been bashing Rachel all along. Find the post were I bashed Zenyatta. Lay off the POT dude it effects short term memory.

And YES Zenyatta's one accomplishment WILL be matched. Rachels year NEVER will.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by CSC

Interesting that it's perfectly OK for you to use the same words you hate when someone mentions ducked in reference to Rachel... that you are now on a campaign of running down Zenyatta to further RA in the public's eye, do you recognize what she did on Sat will probably not be seen the rest of our lifetime?

Um I believe I will see it in about one years time.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by CSC

But to me the BC Classic was the 'game changer' that I don't think many saw coming and that was enough to make me change my mind on her.

I'm having a hard time swallowing this. If taking one chance in a big race trumps taking a chance in two or three races, and winning each time, then what's next?

[Travis Stone]

When the emotion and the excitement of the Breeders' Cup wears-off, and people have time to digest the year as a whole, because it is in fact Horse of the Year, then I wonder where the decisions will lie. Polls etc. now are like polls right after a party's convention during election year.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I'm having a hard time swallowing this. If taking one chance in a big race trumps taking a chance in two or three races, and winning each time, then what's next?

As of right now there is no critaria for selecting HOY, it is simply who each voter thinks Horse of the Yr is as White explained last night. With this you can expect open intrepretations who that is. I posted this morning that Steve was right on when he said we are so conditioned with beyers these days that alot of us underestimated her going into the Classic, winning 13 races on synth regardless if one believes the competition is bad is not as easy on the surface as it may look. Look at Richard's Kid, the results can be random...I can own up to maybe erroring on my opinion of her prior to the BC Classic and getting sucked into the void of that she was beating inferior fillies on a junk track. Regardless what she did on Sat was special, when you look at the way it all played out, no pace, losing a pace threat a min prior to post, flat footed start, and then the ease she won coming down the lane, it was a game changer and I think it's sad that people let what was a conservative campaign until the Classic get in the way of recognizing greatness.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by CSC

As of right now there is no critaria for selecting HOY, it is simply who each voter thinks Horse of the Yr is as White explained last night. With this you can expect open intrepretations who that is. I posted this morning that Steve was right on when he said we are so conditioned with beyers these days that alot of us underestimated her going into the Classic, winning 13 races on synth regardless if one believes the competition is bad is not as easy on the surface as it may look. Look at Richard's Kid, the results can be random...I can own up to maybe erroring on my opinion of her prior to the BC Classic and getting sucked into the void of that she was beating inferior fillies on a junk track. Regardless what she did on Sat was special, when you look at the way it all played out, no pace, losing a pace threat a min prior to post, flat footed start, and then the ease she won coming down the lane, it was a game changer and I think it's sad that people let what was a conservative campaign until the Classic get in the way of recognizing greatness.

The handlers have no one else to blame but themselves. If they wanted HOY so bad they should of taken on and beaten all comers. I dont think she was at the top of her game all year. She did throw in 2 clunkers and the weakness of the field was the only thing that saved her. That being said, if she ran against the boys those days she would have been beaten. But they stayed with the girls to fluff up her numbers and that is what is going to cost her HOY. May this be a lesson to all horse owners and trainers, if you want the accolades dont hide in the corner all year while someone else is doing all the work and jump out in the end and try and do one thing and steal the credit.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by CSC

As of right now there is no critaria for selecting HOY, it is simply who each voter thinks Horse of the Yr is as White explained last night. With this you can expect open intrepretations who that is. I posted this morning that Steve was right on when he said we are so conditioned with beyers these days that alot of us underestimated her going into the Classic, winning 13 races on synth regardless if one believes the competition is bad is not as easy on the surface as it may look. Look at Richard's Kid, the results can be random...I can own up to maybe erroring on my opinion of her prior to the BC Classic and getting sucked into the void of that she was beating inferior fillies on a junk track. Regardless what she did on Sat was special, when you look at the way it all played out, no pace, losing a pace threat a min prior to post, flat footed start, and then the ease she won coming down the lane, it was a game changer and I think it's sad that people let what was a conservative campaign until the Classic get in the way of recognizing greatness.

Because greatness should not/cannot be proven in one race in my opinion. Greatness is doing something beyond the ordinary once and then again, maybe even a few more times.

The difference between a campaign like Ghostzapper's and that of Zenyatta's was that his showed brilliance stretched over three different distances, even if it was only four races (of course she only ran five). He also squashed a much better Classic field.

NT

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by CSC

As of right now there is no critaria for selecting HOY, it is simply who each voter thinks Horse of the Yr is as White explained last night. With this you can expect open intrepretations who that is. I posted this morning that Steve was right on when he said we are so conditioned with beyers these days that alot of us underestimated her going into the Classic, winning 13 races on synth regardless if one believes the competition is bad is not as easy on the surface as it may look. Look at Richard's Kid, the results can be random...I can own up to maybe erroring on my opinion of her prior to the BC Classic and getting sucked into the void of that she was beating inferior fillies on a junk track. Regardless what she did on Sat was special, when you look at the way it all played out, no pace, losing a pace threat a min prior to post, flat footed start, and then the ease she won coming down the lane, it was a game changer and I think it's sad that people let what was a conservative campaign until the Classic get in the way of recognizing greatness.

I recognize greatness... she was great, it was an awesome performance. Yeah, she had a pretty darn good trip for a closer and the slow start is overrated for a horse with her style, but sure, it was awesome and exciting. Great, indeed.

Unfortunately for her, someone was greater. I'm not knocking Zenyatta at all... quite the contrary. If I'm knocking anything, it's her campaign, which in the big picture was not nearly as great as Rachel's. Yeah, her ace in the hole is the Classic, but that does not trump a Preakness, Haskell and Woodward win in my opinion, nor should it.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Because greatness should not/cannot be proven in one race in my opinion. Greatness is doing something beyond the ordinary once and then again, maybe even a few more times.

The difference between a campaign like Ghostzapper's and that of Zenyatta's was that his showed brilliance stretched over three different distances, even if it was only four races (of course she only ran five). He also squashed a much better Classic field.

NT

We can talk for days regarding greatness, one thing I don't agree with is the citing of beyers as the definitive rule for how good a horse is, they are useful and are great from a conversational viewpoint but they should never be the absolute in determining that one horse can beat another when comparing horses.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Because greatness should not/cannot be proven in one race in my opinion. Greatness is doing something beyond the ordinary once and then again, maybe even a few more times.

Hmmm, how many major horses, the type who have won a whole bunch of grade 1's, have finished unbeaten. Is it a big number?

How many fillies have won the classic?

How many horses have come from last in every race to run by the entire field?

Those three things, I guess they are ordinary everyday events.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Hmmm, how many major horses, the type who have won a whole bunch of grade 1's, have finished unbeaten. Is it a big number?

How many fillies have won the classic?

How many horses have come from last in every race to run by the entire field?

Those three things, I guess they are ordinary everyday events.

And how many of them were predicted to be the 3rd or 4th choice by people on message boards?

NT

[South Beach Luv]

Gulfstream wants to decide it on their track in Feb.

http://blog.timesunion.com/horseraci...zenyatta/3629/

[jms62]

Originally Posted by South Beach Luv

Gulfstream wants to decide it on their track in Feb.

http://blog.timesunion.com/horseraci...zenyatta/3629/

Enormous stage and will be the Hot place to be pre Super Bowl. Horse racing needs it but I won't hold my breath

[randallscott35]

Oh yes waiving the fees will get it done.

How about 5 Mill instead.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

And how many of them were predicted to be the 3rd or 4th choice by people on message boards?

NT

apples and oranges, but yea I was wrong on the odds, not as wrong as you are on this one but wrong.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

apples and oranges, but yea I was wrong on the odds, not as wrong as you are on this one but wrong.

I wouldn't have brought it back up if you hadn't said to me that I'd be proven wrong.

Nowhere in my post did I say that Zenyatta was not a great horse. I simply said, and maintain that greatness is not attained with one effort. She has had a tremendous career and capped it off with an effort for the ages. However, the nod for HOY shouldn't go to her because of the one performance, in my opinion, at least not in a year where there was another horse like Rachel Alexandra.

NT