McLaughlin with 3 positives; Gets 30 day ban..

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by gales0678

and mr mcpeek has some pretty good one's as well

freddy what will the shieks do , will they dump kiaran?

Not according to Cannon Shell, his theory is Darley will double shift him..lol

I have no clue nor do I care very much. I suspect Mclaughlin will be fine. Mostly because he is a wonderful horseman with terrific skills. The assertion that the very best trainers in the industry are simply medical wonders is so friggin self righteous that you have to laugh hard.

You think I don't understand these guys push hard, please any moron knows they are vetting the F out of their stock. So apparently this is what it takes to get horses to race well. WE have 50k races in this country a year. Close 60% of the tracks and make shopping malls out of them and you will see the decline of the cheaters and the emergence of the full field and high quality properly bred animal.. Do you realize how many horrendously bred animals are bred because Penn Nat lets pigs race for 25k? A complete pig races for 25k and the best of allowance race horses go for 45k.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Not according to Cannon Shell, his theory is Darley will double shift him..lol

I have no clue nor do I care very much. I suspect Mclaughlin will be fine. Mostly because he is a wonderful horseman with terrific skills. The assertion that the very best trainers in the industry are simply medical wonders is so friggin self righteous that you have to laugh hard.

You think I don't understand these guys push hard, please any moron knows they are vetting the F out of their stock. So apparently this is what it takes to get horses to race well. WE have 50k races in this country a year. Close 60% of the tracks and make shopping malls out of them and you will see the decline of the cheaters and the emergence of the full field and high quality properly bred animal.. Do you realize how many horrendously bred animals are bred because Penn Nat lets pigs race for 25k? A complete pig races for 25k and the best of allowance race horses go for 45k.

Disagree... less races, more competition, MORE cheating...

unless things go the way of Hong Kong, where positives REALLY cost money and business, then this crap will continue.

As for McLaughlin... the lack of furor is probably because we are all tired of it. We all knew he was doing something, probably not major, it was just a matter of when not if when he got caught.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

This sport is no different then any other.. my horse had double barrel adaquan for two days before he raced. Adaquan is legal in Pa. to race on.. Is adaquan a naturally occuring substance? Is gastrogard a natural substance. Surely your horses get similar meds as they are common and helpful to making them feel better and run faster.. You think the line stops where? I want nothing to do with racing any horse on any medication that is NOT LEGAL. but if it is legal and will help me win and pay for a complete laimo you are dam straight I am interested. If ole Kenny Mc peek was buying 50k horses and found something which was a non natural substance but was not detrimental to the horses health made them run better and wasnt going to get him or myself in trouble count me in as long at it is legal. Legal is defined as a substance which is tested for that the state mandates you get in troublefor if your horse races on it. If they dont test for it how can it be illegal or more importantly why ?

Aspirin and heroin are both drugs. One is legal, one is not. Still following?

If something isnt allowed but not yet tested for it is still illegal according to the rules of racing. Meaning just because you havent gotten a positive doesnt mean you havent broken the rules. Your version of "legal" has nothing to do with the actual rules. You have simply made them up as you believe that this makes sense in the Freddy mo world.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Really Kenny McPeek won a ton of Dough this last Keeneland meet, racing his 50k yearlings against 500k yearlings. Your Dr must have some VERY smokin hot asst's.

I would guess that very few of MePeeks runners this past meet were of the 50k variety.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Not according to Cannon Shell, his theory is Darley will double shift him..lol

I have no clue nor do I care very much. I suspect Mclaughlin will be fine. Mostly because he is a wonderful horseman with terrific skills. The assertion that the very best trainers in the industry are simply medical wonders is so friggin self righteous that you have to laugh hard.

You think I don't understand these guys push hard, please any moron knows they are vetting the F out of their stock. So apparently this is what it takes to get horses to race well. WE have 50k races in this country a year. Close 60% of the tracks and make shopping malls out of them and you will see the decline of the cheaters and the emergence of the full field and high quality properly bred animal.. Do you realize how many horrendously bred animals are bred because Penn Nat lets pigs race for 25k? A complete pig races for 25k and the best of allowance race horses go for 45k.

And this is the same logic that led us to Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens. Having the best horses isnt enough. We need to "push hard". Or in other words cheat. I have defended many trainers on the forum when they get a bs positive and everyone wants to pile on. But when a "wonderful guy" gets a blatant positive it is just business as usual? Incredible.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I would guess that very few of MePeeks runners this past meet were of the 50k variety.

Actually I don't think he had a horse over $150K and most ranged in the $50-$80K range. Of the juveniles he brought to the BC, the cheapest was Noble's Promise at $10K and the most expensive was Connie and Michael at $100K. One horse was a homebred and the other two were $80K.

Sorry, if I was buying horses - McPeek would be my guy!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Actually I don't think he had a horse over $150K and most ranged in the $50-$80K range. Of the juveniles he brought to the BC, the cheapest was Noble's Promise at $10K and the most expensive was Connie and Michael at $100K. One horse was a homebred and the other two were $80K.

Sorry, if I was buying horses - McPeek would be my guy!

He didnt buy Nobles Promise. House of grace was 100k. Beautician was 110k.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He didnt buy Nobles Promise. House of grace was 100k. Beautician was 110k.

You can look on his website and see most of his purchases and/or horses running under him (I don't think Freddy was specifing only the horses bought by McPeek when he mentioned McPeek's winners at the KEE meet) are closer to the 50K range than the 500K range...

http://www.mcpeekracing.com/services/

http://www.mcpeekracing.com/entries/

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

You can look on his website and see most of his purchases and/or horses running under him (I don't think Freddy was specifing only the horses bought by McPeek when he mentioned McPeek's winners at the KEE meet) are closer to the 50K range than the 500K range...

http://www.mcpeekracing.com/services/

http://www.mcpeekracing.com/entries/

The vast majority of horses listed are long since retired.

[philcski]

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/a-...-at-all-costs/

not to beat on the guy who just died, but he was a good trainer that had plenty of positives, including a morphine positive (and in this case, admitted usage without getting caught.) they all do whatever they can.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

You can look on his website and see most of his purchases and/or horses running under him (I don't think Freddy was specifing only the horses bought by McPeek when he mentioned McPeek's winners at the KEE meet) are closer to the 50K range than the 500K range...

http://www.mcpeekracing.com/services/

http://www.mcpeekracing.com/entries/

Not to burst any bubble, a perfect example of why not to get involved with a guy like McPeek is right here.

In his Private Offerings section, he has a 2008 Officer yearling filly available for 15k for 20%. That would be 75k for 100% of said filly. But he is keeping 20% of the filly, time to ask why?

Low and behold, that filly was bought in September for 50k, Hip# 2134. I'm sorry but within 45 days, she didn't jump 50% in value because she was eating Magdelena grass....

This would mean that he is selling 80% of the horse for 60k, so he is keeping 20% of the horse plus pocketing 10k.

Thats a great gig if you can get it to work. Knowing this, I would question every single invoice he ever sent.

Oh no you dih int!

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Scav

Not to burst any bubble, a perfect example of why not to get involved with a guy like McPeek is right here.

In his Private Offerings section, he has a 2008 Officer yearling filly available for 15k for 20%. That would be 75k for 100% of said filly. But he is keeping 20% of the filly, time to ask why?

Low and behold, that filly was bought in September for 50k, Hip# 2134. I'm sorry but within 45 days, she didn't jump 50% in value because she was eating Magdelena grass....

This would mean that he is selling 80% of the horse for 60k, so he is keeping 20% of the horse plus pocketing 10k.

Thats a great gig if you can get it to work. Knowing this, I would question every single invoice he ever sent.

That Purge colt he bought for 13k at the Fasig Tipton July sale, and 75% of that horse is for sale, for 30k.

Brillant

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by philcski

As for McLaughlin... the lack of furor is probably because we are all tired of it. We all knew he was doing something, probably not major, it was just a matter of when not if when he got caught.

The lack of furor is because McLaughlin is perceived as likable, innocuous and, most utterly mystifying, somehow above reproach. That was my point originally. There's a shocking double standard about who gets vilified when these incidents come up. The well-packaged, most blatant edge-takers somehow skate in the public eye while the Oil Can Harrys are heaped on in an orgy of outrage.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Scav

That Purge colt he bought for 13k at the Fasig Tipton July sale, and 75% of that horse is for sale, for 30k.

Brillant

It's called keeping in business Scav. Take a look at Westpoints markups

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by jms62

It's called keeping in business Scav. Take a look at Westpoints markups

yup , but it's against the law if you know there was collusion at the sale

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Actually I don't think he had a horse over $150K and most ranged in the $50-$80K range. Of the juveniles he brought to the BC, the cheapest was Noble's Promise at $10K and the most expensive was Connie and Michael at $100K. One horse was a homebred and the other two were $80K.

Sorry, if I was buying horses - McPeek would be my guy!

if you could ever get him on the phone

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Kasept

The lack of furor is because McLaughlin is perceived as likable, innocuous and, most utterly mystifying, somehow above reproach. That was my point originally. There's a shocking double standard about who gets vilified when these incidents come up. The well-packaged, most blatant edge-takers somehow skate in the public eye while the Oil Can Harrys are heaped on in an orgy of outrage.

it's similar to politcs steve , the media pick and choose who they want to bury ,it's the american way ....how on earth anyone with a straight face can say that obama was anymore qualified to be president than any of the challengers from both sides is a complete farce .....he was the media's messiah, over at nbc they actually believe he can walk on water

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by gales0678

if you could ever get him on the phone

Marty,

Do you call McPeek often? You have horses with him? You do a lot of business with him? Or are you simply parroting someone else and their alleged issues with him?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Marty,

Do you call McPeek often? You have horses with him? You do a lot of business with him? Or are you simply parroting someone else and their alleged issues with him?

no , no, no , yes

but you already know that

he does have very good asst's , i don't think that can be overlooked