Egypt

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

You have neither read nor processed one word of what I wrote. I am not calling every Muslim an extremist or a terrorist. I am saying that worldwide domination is the ultimate agenda of Islam, and it just doesn't entail religion. It's a way of life, politics, economy, and zero tolerance for anyone else's way of life. This needn't be accomplished by terroristic means but by stealth and propagation of the faith and moving into many countries around the world where a political foothold can be achieved.

To borrow a phrase from you, "Get a clue."

No, I don't buy your argument, it's absurd and unsupported by reality. That's how I've "processed" it.

Here's your clue: I'm sick of the whole bigoted Muslim hate thing going on in America. It's appalling, shameful and stupid, and shouldn't be tolerated. It makes our country look ignorant. Radical Islam or terrorists are different, and must be struck down. Islam even agrees with that.

Your accusing every Muslim in the world of "stealth Jihad" and the goal of "worldwide domination" flys in the face of what Muslim leaders, and Muslims themselves, throughout the world have written and taught within this religion.

It's religious bigotry, pure and simple. No matter how anybody tries to justify it. Hitler did a damn good job of justifying why Jews should be persecuted, too.

[Princess Doreen]

Oh good Lord - now I'm being compared to Hitler. I won't even attempt to disprove a negative.

You accuse people of hatred yet have so much of it yourself.

The soap box is all yours, Riot. You need the last word. I don't.

[Riot]

Oh good Lord - now I'm being compared to Hitler. I won't even attempt to disprove a negative.

Oh, please, the drama you create is too much - you were not compared to Hitler, and you know it.

You accuse people of hatred yet have so much of it yourself.
The soap box is all yours, Riot. You need the last word. I don't.

Hate? Naw. Unlike you, I don't care what other people's religions are. I am completely intolerant of overtly stated religious hate and bigotry. Yes, indeed. Had enough of that crap. As have most other Americans. But you are free to have the "last word".

[Danzig]

let's see if we can get back on track, perhaps steve could start a name-calling room so we could move the personal attacks out of here.

now, yemen:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37281717...deastn_africa/


we must do everything we can to ensure that democracy wins out in these revolutions. the last thing we need is theocracy to become the govt of choice here, or egypt for that matter. they say they want an egypt-style revolt; so here's hoping egypt can pave the way in the right...er, correct direction. we need to throw support behind any democratic movements, because we know iran will be throwing support behind movements to have islamic-law based govt. that would be a step backwards-especially if it was to occur in egypt. i don't see it happening there, but yemen has a huge al queda population.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

let's see if we can get back on track, perhaps steve could start a name-calling room so we could move the personal attacks out of here.

now, yemen:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37281717...deastn_africa/


we must do everything we can to ensure that democracy wins out in these revolutions. the last thing we need is theocracy to become the govt of choice here, or egypt for that matter. they say they want an egypt-style revolt; so here's hoping egypt can pave the way in the right...er, correct direction. we need to throw support behind any democratic movements, because we know iran will be throwing support behind movements to have islamic-law based govt. that would be a step backwards-especially if it was to occur in egypt. i don't see it happening there, but yemen has a huge al queda population.

I hope Libya and Gaddafi is on the 'to-do' list.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, I don't buy your argument, it's absurd and unsupported by reality. That's how I've "processed" it.

Here's your clue: I'm sick of the whole bigoted Muslim hate thing going on in America. It's appalling, shameful and stupid, and shouldn't be tolerated. It makes our country look ignorant. Radical Islam or terrorists are different, and must be struck down. Islam even agrees with that.

Your accusing every Muslim in the world of "stealth Jihad" and the goal of "worldwide domination" flys in the face of what Muslim leaders, and Muslims themselves, throughout the world have written and taught within this religion.

It's religious bigotry, pure and simple. No matter how anybody tries to justify it. Hitler did a damn good job of justifying why Jews should be persecuted, too.

wonder what biggot typed this "I can't imagine any other religion wanting a theme park

The people involved in this said they did a survey, and that area in northern Kentucky just outside Cincinnati is apparently the best place in the country to attract the type of people that would want to visit a Creation Museum.

The Creation Museum teaches school field trips that the earth is only 6,000 years old, dinosaurs were on the Ark in the form of eggs, dinosaurs and man walked the earth together, and carbon dating is simply false.

In fact, the Creation Museum was so successful, now we have the Ark Park that wants to be right next door. With live animals and a 200-yard long real Ark. Yipee."

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I hope Libya and Gaddafi is on the 'to-do' list.

that's the thing, what egypt has begun may turn out to be a good thing. that's why we have to do everything we can to nudge them in the right direction, which they seem to be doing already. keep them on track, get a positive outcome-and others will follow.
instead of us propping up dictators, we should have been encouraging stuff like this all along. our foreign policy has been a disgrace for years, now we can set things aright. i hope.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that's the thing, what egypt has begun may turn out to be a good thing. that's why we have to do everything we can to nudge them in the right direction, which they seem to be doing already. keep them on track, get a positive outcome-and others will follow.
instead of us propping up dictators, we should have been encouraging stuff like this all along. our foreign policy has been a disgrace for years, now we can set things aright. i hope.

Though this could also be the beginning of a nightmare. If suspicions are correct and the Muslim Brotherhood is the front to put theocracy in place this could be very bad for the U.S.A. and catastrophic for Israel.

We should have a huge say regarding what becomes of the new government simply because of the aid money provided each year. However with the current climate of self-loathing for America's past this administration has shown I can only hope and cross my fingers.

[Danzig]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41559566...ess-media_biz/


bahrain showing signs of revolt. tunisia of course is also having protests, and note at the bottom of the above article that kuwait also gets mention.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Though this could also be the beginning of a nightmare. If suspicions are correct and the Muslim Brotherhood is the front to put theocracy in place this could be very bad for the U.S.A. and catastrophic for Israel.

We should have a huge say regarding what becomes of the new government simply because of the aid money provided each year. However with the current climate of self-loathing for America's past this administration has shown I can only hope and cross my fingers.

self-loathing? i'm not quite sure what you mean...i do think our foreign policy went way off track in the last few years, and it could use some serious attention. we have a real opportunity to nudge countries over there in the right direction. we haven't set a great example lately of democracy in action with our heavy-handed ways. but with greater information flowing, hopefully people will want real democracy there, and not exchange one type of dictatorship with another. gulf '91 was one of our shining moments in that region. we haven't shone much over there since then.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

wonder what biggot typed this "I can't imagine any other religion wanting a theme park

The people involved in this said they did a survey, and that area in northern Kentucky just outside Cincinnati is apparently the best place in the country to attract the type of people that would want to visit a Creation Museum.

The Creation Museum teaches school field trips that the earth is only 6,000 years old, dinosaurs were on the Ark in the form of eggs, dinosaurs and man walked the earth together, and carbon dating is simply false.

In fact, the Creation Museum was so successful, now we have the Ark Park that wants to be right next door. With live animals and a 200-yard long real Ark. Yipee."

If you are going to quote me (and I do know you have an abnormal fascination for things I say), please quote exactly.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Oh good Lord - now I'm being compared to Hitler. I won't even attempt to disprove a negative.

You accuse people of hatred yet have so much of it yourself.

The soap box is all yours, Riot. You need the last word. I don't.

The truth hurts Riot. Looks like im not the only one who thinks highly of Riot.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I hope Libya and Gaddafi is on the 'to-do' list.

I remember paying Gaddafi a visit back in 1986. He had to learn a lesson the hard way.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41559566...ess-media_biz/


bahrain showing signs of revolt. tunisia of course is also having protests, and note at the bottom of the above article that kuwait also gets mention.

And Algeria

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

The truth hurts Riot. Looks like im not the only one who thinks highly of Riot.

No, that didn't hurt at all, thanks.

[Riot]

[quote]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Though this could also be the beginning of a nightmare. If suspicions are correct and the Muslim Brotherhood is the front to put theocracy in place

Who is saying the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt is a front for theocracy? (other than Glenn Beck)

We should have a huge say regarding what becomes of the new government simply because of the aid money provided each year. However with the current climate of self-loathing for America's past this administration has shown I can only hope and cross my fingers

Really?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

If you are going to quote me (and I do know you have an abnormal fascination for things I say), please quote exactly.

Oh I assure you I did. Exactly

[Nascar1966]

[quote=Riot;752053]

Who is saying the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt is a front for theocracy? (other than Glenn Beck)



Really?

Here is some good reading for you about the Muslim Brotherhood

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...rew-c-mccarthy

Im sure you will say it is made up and a lie.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Oh I assure you I did. Exactly

Nope.

[dellinger63]

[quote=Riot;752053]

Who is saying the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt is a front for theocracy? (other than Glenn Beck)



Really?

An Egyptian journalist named Sameh Fawzy. He's a lot closer to the situation than Kentucky. He stated, "Of course, the huge gains in the 2005 parliamentary elections allowed the Brotherhood to pose "a democratic political challenge to the regime, not a theological one" .[40] Initially, there has been widespread skepticism regarding the movement's commitment to use its influence to push Egypt forward towards a democratic state. For instance, briefly after the elections Sameh Fawzy remarked in the Al-Ahram Weekly newspaper, "If the Muslim Brotherhood were in a position to enforce its ideological monopoly, the vast majority of the populace would face severe restrictions on its freedom of opinion and belief, not just on religious matters, but on social, political, economic and cultural affairs as well"