2009 Breeders' Cup

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I think this horse is one of their best bullets and with so much upside and Regal Ransom there to ensure some pace, I say go for it. This Classic field doesn't scream world beaters either.

I think this screams stupidity from Godolphin. He's a lightly raced horse who hasn't been more than a mile and now they are going to push him against some very good horses (particularly the Euros) on a surface he's never run on? I'm as mad at Godolphin as I am at Joe Girardi and that's pretty mad. They'll retire him anyway at the end of the year, so I guess it doesn't really matter. This is a good way to ruin a good horse.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Betsy

I think this screams stupidity from Godolphin. He's a lightly raced horse who hasn't been more than a mile and now they are going to push him against some very good horses (particularly the Euros) on a surface he's never run on? I'm as mad at Godolphin as I am at Joe Girardi and that's pretty mad. They'll retire him anyway at the end of the year, so I guess it doesn't really matter. This is a good way to ruin a good horse.

I highly doubt that.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Betsy

I think this screams stupidity from Godolphin. He's a lightly raced horse who hasn't been more than a mile and now they are going to push him against some very good horses (particularly the Euros) on a surface he's never run on? I'm as mad at Godolphin as I am at Joe Girardi and that's pretty mad. They'll retire him anyway at the end of the year, so I guess it doesn't really matter. This is a good way to ruin a good horse.

Or a good way to win a very winnable race. The horse is in very good form right now and there are never any guarantees for the future so you take the chance with your best horse when the opportunity arises.

[Scav]

I can't believe that no one is talking about Zenyatta going in the Classic....Byk has the BC Classic as the #1 choice when he updated this morning....

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Scav

I can't believe that no one is talking about Zenyatta going in the Classic....Byk has the BC Classic as the #1 choice when he updated this morning....

Thing is Tom, with what looked like a certain overflow field for the Classic, they may simply have given preference to it to assure that IF they go there they would get in. The Distaff was not going to fill, so there was no need to show it any preference.

[Kasept]

TUESDAY'S WORKS:

Always a Princess Juvenile Fillies Oak Tree At Santa Anita Five Furlongs 1.01:20

Careless Jewel Ladies Classic Oak Tree At Santa Anita Six Furlongs 1.11:20

Colonel John Mile/Classic Oak Tree At Santa Anita Five Furlongs 1.02:00

D' Funnybone Juvenile Aqueduct Six Furlongs 1.14:36

Diamondrella (GB) *F & M Turf/Mile/Turf Sprint Belmont Park Four Furlongs 50:79

Lookin At Lucky *Juvenile Oak Tree At Santa Anita Six Furlongs 1.12:40

Pure Clan F & M Turf Churchill Downs Five Furlongs 1.01:40

Richard's Kid *Classic Oak Tree At Santa Anita Six Furlongs 1.12:80

Zensational *Sprint Oak Tree At Santa Anita Four Furlongs 46:40



MONDAY'S WORKS:

Aikenite Juvenile Belmont Park Five Furlongs 1.00:49

Bullsbay *Classic Fair Hill Seven Furlongs 1.29:00

Capt. Candyman Can Sprint Skylight Training Center Four Furlongs 48:20

Crown of Thorns Sprint/Dirt Mile Oak Tree At Santa Anita Six Furlongs 1.13:40

Interactif *Juvenile Turf Belmont Park Four Furlongs 49:11

Jungle Tale Juvenile Fillies Turf Churchill Downs Six Furlongs 1.14:20

Kodiak Kowboy Sprint Belmont Park Five Furlongs 1.01:84

Lethal Heat Ladies Classic/Turf Sprint Oak Tree At Santa Anita Five Furlongs 58:40

Midshipman Dirt Mile Oak Tree At Santa Anita Six Furlongs 1.16:60

Mine That Bird Classic Oak Tree At Santa Anita Five Furlongs 58:20

Mr. Sidney Mile Keeneland Five Furlongs 1.01:60

Mushka *Ladies Classic/F&M Turf Keeneland Five Furlongs 1.00:40

Quality Road Classic/Mile Belmont Park Five Furlongs 1.00:72

Ready's Echo Sprint Belmont Park Four Furlongs 49:23

Regal Ransom Classic Oak Tree At Santa Anita Five Furlongs 58:40

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Thing is Tom, with what looked like a certain overflow field for the Classic, they may simply have given preference to it to assure that IF they go there they would get in. The Distaff was not going to fill, so there was no need to show it any preference.

That makes alot of sense. Good reasoning.

I personally think Moss will go in the Classic. Too much to lose while running in the Distaff and too much to gain while running in the Classic, even though that Classic is gonna be mighty rough.....

[CSC]

I thought Careless Jewell's work was impressive from a time perspective, knowing Carroll's MO that she doesn't Baffert-ize her horses in the morning, this one on the surface looks like a good move. It has crossed my mind that she may be better on dirt despite winning on poly earlier in the yr so it remains to be seen if she will continue her win streak on pro-ride.

[Scav]

$5 million Breeders' Cup Classic

Awesome Gem (Dollase) [1]
Colonel John (Harty) [1]
Einstein (Pitts-Blasi)
Gio Ponti (Clement)
Mine That Bird (Woolley)
Quality Road (Pletcher) [1]
Regal Ransom (bin Suroor) [1]
Richard's Kid (Baffert)
Rip Van Winkle (O'Brien)
Summer Bird (Ice) [1]
Twice Over (Cecil)
Zenyatta (Shirreffs) [1]
Bullsbay (Motion) [2]
Mastercraftsman [2]

Excluded:

Girolamo (bin Suroor) [1]
Chocolate Candy (Hollendorfer) [2]


$3 million Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Turf

1. Allegre (Chambers)
2. Conduit (Stoute)
3. Dar Re Mi (Gosden) [1]
4. Monzante (Mitchell) [1]
5. Precious Passion (Hartman)
6. Red Rocks (Meehan)
7. Spanish Moon (Stoute)
8. Telling (Hobby)
9. Summer Bird (Ice) [2]


$2 million TVG Breeders' Cup Mile

1. Courageous Cat (Mott)
2. Court Vision (Dutrow)
3. Cowboy Cal (Pletcher)
4. Delegator (Meehan)
5. Ferneley (Cecil)
6. Gladitorius (bin Shafya)
7. Goldikova (Head)
8. Justenuffhumor (McLaughlin)
9. Karelian (Arnold)
10. Mr. Sidney (Mott) [1]
11. Whatsthescript (Sadler)
12. Zacinto (Stoute)
13. Awesome Gem (Dollase) [2]
14. Colonel John (Harty) [2]


$2 million Sentient Jet Breeders' Cup Sprint

1. Capt. Candyman Can (Wilkes)
2. Cost of Freedom (Sadler)
3. Crown of Thorns (Mandella) [2]
4. Dancing in Silks (Gaines) [1]
5. Fatal Bullet (Baker)
6. Fleeting Spirit (Noseda) [1]
7. Gayego (bin Suroor)
8. Join in the Dance (Pletcher) [1]
9. Kodiak Kowboy (Asmussen)
10. Square Eddie (O'Neill) [2]
11. Zensational (Baffert)


$2 million Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile

1. Aikenite (Pletcher)
2. Alfred Nobel (O'Brien) [1]
3. Aspire (Kenneally)
4. Beethoven (O'Brien) [1]
5. Buzzword (bin Suroor) [2]
6. D' Funnybone (R. Dutrow)
7. Gallant Gent (C. Lewis)
8. Lookin at Lucky (Baffert)
9. Noble's Promise (McPeek)
10. Piscatelli (Sacco)
11. Pounced (Gosden)
12. Pulsion (Biancone)
13. Radiohead (Meehan) [1]
14. Vale of York (bin Suroor) [1]

Excluded:

Dave in Dixie (Sadler)
Eskendereya (Pletcher) [1]
William's Kitten (Maker)
Awesome Act (Noseda) [2]
Mint Chip (Arnold)
Fist of Rage (McPeek) [1]


$1 million Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile

1. Bullsbay (Motion) [1]
2. Chocolate Candy (Hollendorfer) [1]
3. Crown of Thorns (Mandella) [1]
4. Mambo Meister (Gleaves)
5. Mastercraftsman (O'Brien) [1]
6. Midshipman (bin Suroor)
7. Pyro (bin Suroor)
8. Sweet Hearth (de Royer-Dupre) [1]
9. Cowboy Cal (Pletcher) [2]
10. Girolamo (bin Suroor) [2]
11. Quality Road (Pletcher) [2]
12. Regal Ransom (bin Suroor) [2]

Excluded:

Karelian (Arnold) [2]
Mr. Sidney (Mott) [2]
Ready's Echo (Pletcher)
Furthest Land (Maker)
Monzante (Mitchell) [2]
Neko Bay (Shirreffs)
El Gato Malo (Dollase) [2]
Cherokee Artist (Motion)
Join in the Dance (Pletcher) [2]


$1 million Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf

1. Becky's Kitten (Ward)
2. Bridgetown (McPeek)
3. Buzzword (bin Suroor)
4. Codoy (Hubley)
5. Eskendereya (Pletcher) [2]
6. Gallant Gent (C. Lewis)
7. Interactif (Pletcher)
8. King Ledley (Prendergast)
9. Pounced (Gosden)
10. Vale of York (bin Suroor) [2]
11. Viscount Nelson (O'Brien)
12. Zip Quik (Biancone)

Excluded:

Kera's Kitten (Maker)
Awesome Act (Noseda) [1]
Dean's Kitten (Maker)
Raging Wit (Mott)
Oasis Dancer (Beckett)
Summer Movie (Sherman)
Mint Chip (Arnold)
Fist of Rage (McPeek) [2]


$1 million Breeders' Cup Turf Sprint

1. California Flag (Koriner)
2. Cannonball (Ward/Dominguez)
3. Delta Storm (Mitchell)
4. Desert Code (Hofmans)
5. Diamondrella (Penna)
6. Gotta Have Her (Sahadi)
7. Lethal Heat (Abrams) [1]
8. Lord Shanakill (Jarvis)
9. Noble Court (Sadler)
10. Silver Timber (C. Brown)
11. Strike the Deal (Noseda)
12. Yankee Injunuity (McMullen)
13. Fleeting Spirit (Noseda) [2]
14. Game Face (Pletcher) [2]

Excluded:

Canadian Ballet (Rice)
Square Eddie (O'Neill) [1]
Dancing in Silks (Gaines) [2]
Get Funky (Sadler)
El Gato Malo (Dollase) [1]
Only Green (Head) [1]
Tenga Cat (Ellis)
Cherokee Heavan (Jones)


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$2 million Breeders' Cup Distaff

1. Careless Jewel (J. Carroll)
2. Cocoa Beach (bin Suroor)
3. Life is Sweet (Shirreffs)
4. Mushka (Mott)
5. Music Note (bin Suroor)
6. Proviso (Frankel)
7. Rainbow View (Gosden) [1]
8. Zenyatta (Shirreffs) [2]
9. Lethal Heat (Abrams) [2]


$2 million Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Turf

1. Dar Re Mi (Gosden) [2]
2. Dynaforce (Mott)
3. Forever Together (Sheppard)
4. Magical Fantasy (Gallagher)
5. Maram (C. Brown)
6. Midday (Cecil)
7. Pure Clan (Holthus)
8. Rainbow View (Gosden) [2]
9. Rutheriene (Clement)
10. Visit (Frankel)


$2 million Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies

1. Always a Princess (Baffert)
2. Beautician (McPeek)
3. Bickersons (Breen)
4. Biofuel (Baker)
5. Blind Luck (Hollendorfer)
6. Champagne d'Oro (Guillot) [1]
7. Connie and Michael (McPeek) [1]
8. Devil May Care (Pletcher)
9. Ms. Vananenzza (Vasquez)
10. Negligee (Terranova)
11. She Be Wild (Catalano)
12. Zilva (Motion) [2]


$1 million Sentient Jet Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Sprint

1. Allicansayiswow (Biancone)
2. Evita Argentina (Sadler)
3. Free Flying Soul (Headley)
4. Game Face (Pletcher) [1]
5. Informed Decision (Sheppard)
6. Only Green (Head)
7. Sara Louise (bin Suroor)
8. Seventh Street (bin Suroor)
9. Silver Swallow (Headley)
10. Sweet Hearth (de Royer-Dupre) [2]
11. Ventura (Frankel)


$1 million Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies Turf

1. Elusive Galaxy (Lyons)
2. Hatheer (McLaughlin)
3. House of Grace (McPeek)
4. Jungletale (Asmussen)
5. Junia Tepzia (Schiergen/Fallon)
6. La Nez (Kruljac)
7. Lillie Langtry (O'Brien)
8. Lisa's Kitten (Maker)
9. Potosina (Shuman)
10. Smart Seattle (Motion)
11. Tapitsfly (Romans)
12. Zilva (Motion) [1]

Excluded:

Rose Catherine (Pletcher)
Dad's Crazy (Pletcher)
In the Slips (Cole)
Champagne d'Oro (Guillot) [2]
Connie and Michael (McPeek) [2]
You'll Be Mine?


$500,000 Breeders' Cup Marathon

1. Black Astor (L. Lewis)
2. Cloudy's Knight (Sheppard)
3. Eldaafer (Alvarado)
4. Father Time (Cecil)
5. Gangbuster (K. Desormeaux)
6. Man of Iron (O'Brien)
7. Mastery (bin Suroor)
8. Muhannak (Beckett)
9. Nite Light (Pletcher)
10. On Fire (Abrams)
11. Sir Dave (Carava)

http://www.breederscup.com/content.aspx?id=42710

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Scav

That makes alot of sense. Good reasoning.

I personally think Moss will go in the Classic. Too much to lose while running in the Distaff and too much to gain while running in the Classic, even though that Classic is gonna be mighty rough.....

That logic seems so clear IMO that might be what they've been thinking all along.

[Gander]

When do they have to committ one way or the other on races?

Is there a chance the connections of Zenyatta are looking at how much speed is being entered in the Classic before they make their decision? Maybe they are waiting to the last possible moment to see who's in and who may opt out?

There doesnt seem to me a lot of pace in this year's Classic and I would think Zenyatta would need all the help she can get against these horses. This is a really talented bunch, albeit its being run on her surface in her backyard.

If she goes, she'll probably be 2nd choice to Gio Ponti?

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Gander

When do they have to committ one way or the other on races?

Is there a chance the connections of Zenyatta are looking at how much speed is being entered in the Classic before they make their decision? Maybe they are waiting to the last possible moment to see who's in and who may opt out?

There doesnt seem to me a lot of pace in this year's Classic and I would think Zenyatta would need all the help she can get against these horses. This is a really talented bunch, albeit its being run on her surface in her backyard.

If she goes, she'll probably be 2nd choice to Gio Ponti?

ummm what?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Gander

When do they have to committ one way or the other on races?

Is there a chance the connections of Zenyatta are looking at how much speed is being entered in the Classic before they make their decision? Maybe they are waiting to the last possible moment to see who's in and who may opt out?

There doesnt seem to me a lot of pace in this year's Classic and I would think Zenyatta would need all the help she can get against these horses. This is a really talented bunch, albeit its being run on her surface in her backyard.

If she goes, she'll probably be 2nd choice to Gio Ponti?

No. She will not be a longer price than Gio Ponti. She'll be the favorite IMO and QR, Summer Bird, and Rip will all be bet before GP.

NT

[Gander]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

No. She will not be a longer price than Gio Ponti. She'll be the favorite IMO and QR, Summer Bird, and Rip will all be bet before GP.

NT

Really? I think Gio Ponti is going to take a lot of money. Hes already got a win over this surface. QR and Summer Bird are unproven.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Gander

Really? I think Gio Ponti is going to take a lot of money. Hes already got a win over this surface. QR and Summer Bird are unproven.

You're assuming the public is even remotely in tune with that distinction.

[tiznowthegreat]

When do they post the list of who gets in first for the oversubscribed races? And why do they list preference if they can still get accepted in both fields even if they are oversubscribed? What is the point of listing a preference?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by tiznowthegreat

When do they post the list of who gets in first for the oversubscribed races? And why do they list preference if they can still get accepted in both fields even if they are oversubscribed? What is the point of listing a preference?

It is on that link I posted earlier in this thread




(I actually put the exclusions into that post... SB)

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

You're assuming the public is even remotely in tune with that distinction.

especially on BC w/e....

[Merlinsky]

Poor Mine That Bird tried to run extra fast this week to get folks to pay attention to him and still, pfft! Ok well maybe it was b/c he saw another horse way up ahead and got a little competitive. Still...

Who brings up the rear in the Classic? MTB or Zenyatta?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by tiznowthegreat

When do they post the list of who gets in first for the oversubscribed races? And why do they list preference if they can still get accepted in both fields even if they are oversubscribed? What is the point of listing a preference?

I put it in the post a couple ahead of yours as well as in the first post in the thread.