McLaughlin with 3 positives; Gets 30 day ban..

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Aspirin and heroin are both drugs. One is legal, one is not. Still following?

If something isnt allowed but not yet tested for it is still illegal according to the rules of racing. Meaning just because you havent gotten a positive doesnt mean you havent broken the rules. Your version of "legal" has nothing to do with the actual rules. You have simply made them up as you believe that this makes sense in the Freddy mo world.

In my world its pretty simple, if the ruling body isnt specifically testing for a dangerous substance then clearly it can not be illegal. There are laws on the books that are valid, those are the ones enforced, you know tested for etc. You elect to avoid medication which you know will be beneficial to your stock because you have concerns that in 2037 there might be enforcement of a ridiculous law without teeth? More power to you if you can make folks money and earn a living being concerned about 2037 testing in 2010 congrats.

So let me get this right.. People use certain meds that the State Authorities have deemed illegal yet they did as such under the broad spectrum of "Anything Unnaturally Occuring", they failed to set guideline on use and allowable amounts(how could they they have no clue what it is they are talking about) and deemed ANY existence in ANY quanitity offensible eventhough guidelines haven't been established. I guess they figure they can set the guidelines after they figure out what indeed they are looking for. So you figure these people are cheaters because they are using meds that the state hasn't given any friggin structure on at all.. So you figure you will self police yourself and you will determine in Chucky's world what is Aspirin vs. Heroin. More importantly, your definitions as such will be the guidelines for whom you call smug cheaters and whom you call squeaky clean. Anything else you would like to share with us? How about an 11th commandment? Thou shall live by Chuck's self righteous self serving views.. . Again always root for you and your success just because I think your completely insane doesnt mean I dont wish you and yours the very best of success and luck.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The vast majority of horses listed are long since retired.

Please Chuck give the guy credit. He has won a a lot with horses that were not exactly a++ types. He won wth a lot 25 -100k types that turned out to be very good earners. I wish his 2009 on you and yours in 2010

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Scav

Not to burst any bubble, a perfect example of why not to get involved with a guy like McPeek is right here.

In his Private Offerings section, he has a 2008 Officer yearling filly available for 15k for 20%. That would be 75k for 100% of said filly. But he is keeping 20% of the filly, time to ask why?

Low and behold, that filly was bought in September for 50k, Hip# 2134. I'm sorry but within 45 days, she didn't jump 50% in value because she was eating Magdelena grass....

This would mean that he is selling 80% of the horse for 60k, so he is keeping 20% of the horse plus pocketing 10k.

Thats a great gig if you can get it to work. Knowing this, I would question every single invoice he ever sent.

When you are an owner of horses and you are earning money the invoices are a lot easier to pay then if you are blow thru 300k a year without much success. Who gives a F about invoices when you are earning.. Stop it give the man his due

freddymo is the guy who praised Madoff before the scheme collapsed.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

freddymo is the guy who praised Madoff before the scheme collapsed.

and got his $$$ out many years ago , they can't even go back and get it from him as the staute of limitations expired

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The vast majority of horses listed are long since retired.

OK, you win Chuck - he totally sucks as a blood-stock agent and a trainer and you're like the best EVAH.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by gales0678

chuck i know you kidded me about this in the past , but gander mentioned it earlier in the thread

just how does lind rice go from winning a major meet to not being competitive at all at bel or aqu so far , are the horses simply tired . she wasn't just winning turf sprints at sar was she?

Marty, AGAIN...she won 2 races on the dirt at Toga this summer and both of those were off the turf events. Races scheduled for the dirt she was 0 for 12

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GPK

Marty, AGAIN...she won 2 races on the dirt at Toga this summer and both of those were off the turf events. Races scheduled for the dirt she was 0 for 12

again , no turf races at belmont or the big a this fall kev? i guess the only NY track i was watching this fall was yonkers

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Scav

Not to burst any bubble, a perfect example of why not to get involved with a guy like McPeek is right here.

In his Private Offerings section, he has a 2008 Officer yearling filly available for 15k for 20%. That would be 75k for 100% of said filly. But he is keeping 20% of the filly, time to ask why?

Low and behold, that filly was bought in September for 50k, Hip# 2134. I'm sorry but within 45 days, she didn't jump 50% in value because she was eating Magdelena grass....

This would mean that he is selling 80% of the horse for 60k, so he is keeping 20% of the horse plus pocketing 10k.

Thats a great gig if you can get it to work. Knowing this, I would question every single invoice he ever sent.

You know he's not the only guy doing this right? The buyer should be doing their homework and if they feel the results are worth the mark-up so be it.

Personally I'd rather buy a horse for $75K, knowing McPeek is making out on the horse than buying a horse out-right at an auction for $200K from a guy who doesn't have McPeek's record of buying at the sales but that is just me.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

You know he's not the only guy doing this right? The buyer should be doing their homework and if they feel the results are worth the mark-up so be it.

Personally I'd rather buy a horse for $75K, knowing McPeek is making out on the horse than buying a horse out-right at an auction for $200K from a guy who doesn't have McPeek's record of buying at the sales but that is just me.

you can't be a little pregnant , either you are are your aren't

[GPK]

Originally Posted by gales0678

again , no turf races at belmont or the big a this fall kev? i guess the only NY track i was watching this fall was yonkers

Sorry Marty, didn't realize that all 3 NYRA tracks had the same condition book for every meet. How foolish of me not to recognize that.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GPK

Sorry Marty, didn't realize that all 3 NYRA tracks had the same condition book for every meet. How foolish of me not to recognize that.

can you pull up these stats please

how many of her wins were turf sprints at SAR? how many were routes? 2 of her wins were off turf

how many turf sprints did BEL card this fall? how many turf routes did bel card this fall?

what were her stats in those compares to SAR ?

how many turf sprints at the big a so far , how many turf routes? what are her stats?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by gales0678

can you pull up these stats please

how many of her wins were turf sprints at SAR? how many were routes? 2 of her wins were off turf

how many turf sprints did BEL card this fall? how many turf routes did bel card this fall?

what were her stats in those compares to SAR ?

how many turf sprints at the big a so far , how many turf routes? what are her stats?

Did you know that this summer at Saratoga it was the first time EVER that more than HALF the races were carded for the turf? 195 of the 365 races. You think that plays into the hands of a turf specialist trainer like Linda? All 20 of her winners were on races scheduled for the grass.
20 winners at Toga this summer.
11 @ 5 1/2 furlongs on the turf
2 off the turf winners
7 turf route winners.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You got a thing for LR dont you?

Little Richard?....Who doesn't like Little Richard.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

You know he's not the only guy doing this right? The buyer should be doing their homework and if they feel the results are worth the mark-up so be it.

Personally I'd rather buy a horse for $75K, knowing McPeek is making out on the horse than buying a horse out-right at an auction for $200K from a guy who doesn't have McPeek's record of buying at the sales but that is just me.

The point is not to dis anyone as buying a yearling is exciting and risky at any level. The point is to praise someone who did well even if he took the first sip of cream off the top. I really hope Chuck and Bob win a g1 with any of their stuff. Heck just because Chuck and I dont see eye to eye certainly doesnt mean I don't wish him anything but the very best.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by freddymo

The point is not to dis anyone as buying a yearling is exciting and risky at any level. The point is to praise someone who did well even if he took the first sip of cream off the top. I really hope Chuck and Bob win a g1 with any of their stuff. Heck just because Chuck and I dont see eye to eye certainly doesnt mean I don't wish him anything but the very best.

I agree with you here Freddy.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GPK

Did you know that this summer at Saratoga it was the first time EVER that more than HALF the races were carded for the turf? 195 of the 365 races. You think that plays into the hands of a turf specialist trainer like Linda? All 20 of her winners were on races scheduled for the grass.
20 winners at Toga this summer.
11 @ 5 1/2 furlongs on the turf
2 off the turf winners
7 turf route winners.

kev,

can you give Linda's turf breakdown for the fall meet at BEL , she is not listed on the NYRA website

[Scav]

Originally Posted by freddymo

When you are an owner of horses and you are earning money the invoices are a lot easier to pay then if you are blow thru 300k a year without much success. Who gives a F about invoices when you are earning.. Stop it give the man his due

I wasn't being negative on McPeek that much, I was just pointing out something I consider extreme on his part. I think it would be much smarter for him to be selling 80% for the total sale price instead of marking up the horse up. I would have no issue with him keeping 20% and recouping his expense.

All this is really means nothing because the guy is doing really well right now. Lets see where alot of these two year olds are late in their 3 year old year though. Personally, I would rather have a horse progress and be around for 20 starts, then have them blow their load within their first two starts and be a 10nw3 claimer by November of their 3 year old year.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by gales0678

kev,

can you give Linda's turf breakdown for the fall meet at BEL , she is not listed on the NYRA website

You are starting to be Stalkerish? She won a bunch of 5f races.. they dont card them at 5 and few at 6 now. Think about it logically, consider the majority of stock at SPA and trainers, do you think most are pointing toward winning 5f turf sprints? You think the major trainers and owners are gunning to get there stock a win in a BS 5f 30k claimer? Give the gal credit she kicked ass she has found a niche and drove a bulldozer thru it.. Congrats.. You figure horses that run well at 5f on the grass in the summer should be equally suited for a 1mile 70 on the INNER in a few weeks?

maybe you think she was cheating? They all save Jerkin and Simon cheat

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by freddymo

You are starting to be Stalkerish? She won a bunch of 5f races.. they dont card them at 5 and few at 6 now. Think about it logically, consider the majority of stock at SPA and trainers, do you think most are pointing toward winning 5f turf sprints? You think the major trainers and owners are gunning to get there stock a win in a BS 5f 30k claimer? Give the gal credit she kicked ass she has found a niche and drove a bulldozer thru it.. Congrats.. You figure horses that run well at 5f on the grass in the summer should be equally suited for a 1mile 70 on the INNER in a few weeks?

maybe you think she was cheating? They all save Jerkin and Simon cheat

i let it go after chuck told me to , then gpk brings it up again this AM , what i'm not allowed to respond mr slot czar?