Barbaro (the Champ)

[Cajungator26]

If this doesn't appear bugged out high strung to you, then I don't know what.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

To me, Bernardini looks like a high strung maniac, but that's just me. (Bluegrass Cat does too.) I appreciate the classic thoroughbred appearance and wide set eyes of Barbaro much more so if we're going to be talking about looks. You really can't even compare the two. Barbaro looks the part of a champion IMO.

In your opinion, Barbaro is a much better looking horse, but that's not fact. If one wanted to, one could certainly compare the two and say that Bernardini is the epitome of thoroughbred elegance. High Strung maniac is something that comes to mind when I think of Minister's Bid, not Bernardini; I haven't looked at your pictures because what's the point? All thoroughbreds are high strung, yes even Barbaro. I'd venture to guess that you are in the minority when it comes to Bernardini not looking the part of a champion.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

I'm the conformation analysis expert on this board, and I say that both horses are awesome physical specimens of the Thoroughbred breed. I really don't think one outweighs the other in that department. Both look to be extremely intelligent animals because both have those large wide set eyes, especially Bernardini. Barbaro reminds me of one of the classy all-time great turf types, and Bernardini reminds me of the classy all-time great dirt types. You have to admit that Bernardini's presence, power, build, and movement remind you of those great horses such as Seattle Slew, Affirmed, and Secretariat for those of you blinded by your obvious bias against and dislike of Bernardini. BOTH HORSES ARE AWESOME.

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I'm the conformation analysis expert on this board

you forgot self-proclaimed, I'd take my girl Cajun anytime.

[Slewbopper]

Presently, Barbaro has more earnings because of the Derby purse. Regarding what they have done on the track, Bernie has a very slight edge

Barbaro..2 G1s and 2 G3s
Bernie....2 G1s, a G2, and a G3

[Scurlogue Champ]

Let's just have a horse-petting party and get it over with.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I'm the conformation analysis expert on this board, and I say that both horses are awesome physical specimens of the Thoroughbred breed. I really don't think one outweighs the other in that department. Both look to be extremely intelligent animals because both have those large wide set eyes, especially Bernardini. Barbaro reminds me of one of the classy all-time great turf types, and Bernardini reminds me of the classy all-time great dirt types. You have to admit that Bernardini's presence, power, build, and movement remind you of those great horses such as Seattle Slew, Affirmed, and Secretariat for those of you blinded by your obvious bias against and dislike of Bernardini. BOTH HORSES ARE AWESOME.

Of course thoroughbreds are high strung. They wouldn't be called hot blooded horses if they weren't. And I'm sorry, but I don't think Bernardini even compares to Secretariat. Seattle Slew... yes, definitely. Both Slew and Bernardini aren't built all that great, but both have run through their lack on conformation. The fact that you even compared Bernardini to Affirmed makes me laugh. I haven't seen a horse with his build and presence since Easy Goer. Talk about being blinded by bias! LOL

Horses who raced in the derby are coming back to the track now and really asserting themselves, which goes to prove what kind of field it was Barbaro trounced...Showing Up (wins the G1 Secretariart), Lawyer Ron (wins the St. Louis), Bluegrass Cat (wins the G1 Haskell), AP Warrior (wins a stakes race on turf), Point Determined (wins a stakes race), Jazil (wins the G1 Belmont)...
other horses beaten include Brother Derek (G1 Santa Anita winner), Bob and John (G1 Wood winner), Sweetnorthernsaint (IL winner), Sinister Minister (G1 Bluegrass winner)...

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

Horses who raced in the derby are coming back to the track now and really asserting themselves, which goes to prove what kind of field it was Barbaro trounced...Showing Up (wins the G1 Secretariart), Lawyer Ron (wins the St. Louis), Bluegrass Cat (wins the G1 Haskell), AP Warrior (wins a stakes race on turf), Point Determined (wins a stakes race), Jazil (wins the G1 Belmont)...
other horses beaten include Brother Derek (G1 Santa Anita winner), Bob and John (G1 Wood winner), Sweetnorthernsaint (IL winner), Sinister Minister (G1 Bluegrass winner)...

Very very good points. I think everyone has always maintained that the 2006 Derby field was one of the most talented in some time.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Very very good points. I think everyone has always maintained that the 2006 Derby field was one of the most talented in some time.

i've seen it given the highest praise, that it compares to the field which included iron liege, bold ruler, gallant man and round table. best since then has been said more than once....

[prudery]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I'm the conformation analysis expert on this board, and I say that both horses are awesome physical specimens of the Thoroughbred breed. I really don't think one outweighs the other in that department. Both look to be extremely intelligent animals because both have those large wide set eyes, especially Bernardini. Barbaro reminds me of one of the classy all-time great turf types, and Bernardini reminds me of the classy all-time great dirt types. You have to admit that Bernardini's presence, power, build, and movement remind you of those great horses such as Seattle Slew, Affirmed, and Secretariat for those of you blinded by your obvious bias against and dislike of Bernardini. BOTH HORSES ARE AWESOME.

There is no conformation analysis in this post . A comparison to three great horses you are " reminded " of which were nothing alike in build says nothing . Which parts of whom are you comparing ?? What turf types do Barbaro look like and how ?? Same for Bernardini . As mentioned, Seattle Slew was not a paragon for the body beautiful . He was awkwardly put together. Conformation people talk of bone, length of cannons, symmetry, joint angles, general correctness which indicates efficiency and soundness . Secretariat was considered by a panel of experts in fields in and out of racing to be a horse whose conformation indicated that he could do anything a sporting horse of any discipline could do---THE horse selected to have this physical makeup---over horses of all breeds . While Bernardini and Barbaro may be fine physical specimens whom you have seen on TV and possibly in still pictures, you give no serious evidence for your comparisons and critiques . Opinion and analysis are very different .

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by dr.fager

you forgot self-proclaimed, I'd take my girl Cajun anytime.

I'm not self proclaimed. I am very credible in this department, have many experts who will recommend me, and I have the awards to prove it. I was ranked second in the nation at it when I was 18.

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I'm not self proclaimed. I am very credible in this department, have many experts who will recommend me, and I have the awards to prove it. I was ranked second in the nation at it when I was 18.

we know as well as literary awards, riding titles, expert on police brutality....

get a sense of humor

Originally Posted by dr.fager

we know as well as literary awards, riding titles, expert on police brutality....

get a sense of humor

She might be blonde. Cut her some slack.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I'm not self proclaimed. I am very credible in this department, have many experts who will recommend me, and I have the awards to prove it. I was ranked second in the nation at it when I was 18.

is there anything more off-putting than a person who is constantly announcing how wonderful he or she is?
--I will bet my house that you have not been up close to either of these horses and that television is not shot for conformation analysis.
What they do with what they have is not the same as truly deconstructing the horse to assess him.
I believe that you do know your game and judging but remember you are only ranked second among those who COMPETE and there are MANY MANY people who are just as good or better than you are who don't.

[prudery]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

is there anything more off-putting than a person who is constantly announcing how wonderful he or she is?
--I will bet my house that you have not been up close to either of these horses and that television is not shot for conformation analysis. What they do with what they have is not the same as truly deconstructing the horse to assess him. I believe that you do know your game and judging but remember you are only ranked second among those who COMPETE and there are MANY MANY people who are just as good or better than you are who don't.

Agreed . I for one, would be REALLY interested in a savvy account of the physical similarities of the horses in question ... A good professional analysis would be educational to all . A whiney defense of this person's anonymous accomplishments is just that .

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by prudery

Agreed . I for one, would be REALLY interested in a savvy account of the physical similarities of the horses in question ... A good professional analysis would be educational to all . A whiney defense of this person's anonymous accomplishments is just that .

yup. ME too--I had the pleasure of spending an hour with Bernardini on sunday and could tell you all about his personality etc. But since he was in a stall I would not feel comfortable speaking to his conformation. Nice horse though.

[prudery]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

yup. ME too--I had the pleasure of spending an hour with Bernardini on sunday and could tell you all about his personality etc. But since he was in a stall I would not feel comfortable speaking to his conformation. Nice horse though.

I am jealous .

Originally Posted by prudery

Agreed . I for one, would be REALLY interested in a savvy account of the physical similarities of the horses in question ... A good professional analysis would be educational to all . A whiney defense of this person's anonymous accomplishments is just that .

She's still young and learning the game, by her own admission...still, she did put herself out there...I'm curious as to what breed she was judging, Palomino American Saddlebreds perhaps? and she finsihed a close second behind Wilber Post...

[prudery]

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

She's still young and learning the game, by her own admission...still, she did put herself out there...I'm curious as to what breed she was judging, Palomino American Saddlebreds perhaps? and she finsihed a close second behind Wilber Post...

Wiiiiiiiiiilllllllllburrrrrrrr sure knew how to pick 'em .