The Two Old Guys

Originally Posted by Exceller

You know what, as long as you aren't the victim of some con, I could care less what you say. I don't believe it but who cares what I believe. Just don't give your money to people to bet for you unless you get a ticket. It is a really old con. Oftne people never see their money even if they do win because these guys keep the money and find another horse.

I am pretty positive I am not a victim of a scam. These guys are my neighbors and I have known them for years. Plus I have bet with them before and I have gotten my money or my losing ticket. But thanks for your concern.

Ever see the movie--House Of Cards--great movie.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I bought the horse for one of its current owners, Sanford Robbins. Call Ritvo, ask him who bought it, I talkto him all the time. As for you, if that was some sort of retraction, it was a wise move.

No retraction. All I know is you didn't buy it for IEAH.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I am pretty positive I am not a victim of a scam. These guys are my neighbors and I have known them for years. Plus I have bet with them before and I have gotten my money or my losing ticket. But thanks for your concern.

Ever see the movie--House Of Cards--great movie.

Well sorry about losing the money but that is gambling. Losing money is no big deal, but getting scammed out of it is not good. It has happened to me so I have to admit I was a sucker once.

[Buffymommy]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Good luck, Buffy! Jumpers is my specialty, although I haven't jumped a horse in 3 years!

Thanks Cajun. Buck loves jumping. His owner told me that he would take care of me. I am just going to trot all the jumps for now. Buck is still getting back into shape and can't do tight canter circles yet. So we are going to take it easy and stick to trotting. Only two in our class so I am at least going to get second! (Unless I fall off that is.) We are just in the beginners.

Let me know how your lesson goes!

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

"Certified" pre-owned is total bull ****. I was in a dealership not long ago. A trade-in had just come in and was parked next to my car where I was standing. Someone wanted to but that exact model.
I saw the "manager" slap a "certified" sticker on the car's windshield before the porter had removed the old owners plates.

Anyone who buys a used car without having their own mechanic check it over is a fool. Car dealers will **** you if given the chance. That is one thing you can be certain about.

Ain't that the truth... I'm an expert on anything car related though, so I won't ever have that problem.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Exceller

I am sticking with those two horses regardless of odds or who picks them. I liked them yesterday and I still like them both. $2500 is quite a bit for $8K claimers, but that horse and New Awakening in the 3rd at Churchill look like easy chalk winners today.

Exceller, you are really full of ****. Here you say you're betting these horses REGARDLESS OF ODDS. Now, you say you didn't bet it because the odds were too low. That's actually the right way to gamble, but frankly I don't think you're wise enough to know it. Unless of course it's after the fact and your horse has already lost; then it's easy to say you didn't bet it. Go ahead, make the next phone call.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

"Certified" pre-owned is total bull ****. I was in a dealership not long ago. A trade-in had just come in and was parked next to my car where I was standing. Someone wanted to but that exact model.
I saw the "manager" slap a "certified" sticker on the car's windshield before the porter had removed the old owners plates.

Anyone who buys a used car without having their own mechanic check it over is a fool. Car dealers will **** you if given the chance. That is one thing you can be certain about.

Here is what we hand out in our dealership. It is from SmartMoney.com

There are two types of certified preowned vehicles: ones that are backed by the manufacturer and ones that are certified by someone else. Dealer-certified cars tend to have less-stringent inspection policies and shorter extended warranties than manufacturer-certified vehicles.How can you tell the difference? First, only a branded dealership can sell its own manufacturer-certified vehicles. So if a BMW dealer is trying to sell you a Mercedes, or if you're shopping at an independent lot, you can be confident that the vehicle in question is dealer-certified. It's also a good idea to ask to see all the paperwork that guarantees the car is backed up by the manufacturer, says Karl Brauer, automotive expert with Edmunds.com.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Exceller

Here is what we hand out in our dealership. It is from SmartMoney.com

There are two types of certified preowned vehicles: ones that are backed by the manufacturer and ones that are certified by someone else. Dealer-certified cars tend to have less-stringent inspection policies and shorter extended warranties than manufacturer-certified vehicles.How can you tell the difference? First, only a branded dealership can sell its own manufacturer-certified vehicles. So if a BMW dealer is trying to sell you a Mercedes, or if you're shopping at an independent lot, you can be confident that the vehicle in question is dealer-certified. It's also a good idea to ask to see all the paperwork that guarantees the car is backed up by the manufacturer, says Karl Brauer, automotive expert with Edmunds.com.

Your point? I used to work for Nissan... I know how that works.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Exceller, you are really full of ****. Here you say you're betting these horses REGARDLESS OF ODDS. Now, you say you didn't bet it because the odds were too low. That's actually the right way to gamble, but frankly I don't think you're wise enough to know it. Unless of course it's after the fact and your horse has already lost; then it's easy to say you didn't bet it. Go ahead, make the next phone call.

I was betting $250 today. That is what I budgeted. The first horse lost. I didn't bet the second because at 3-5 what is the point in betting $100. To make $60. I originally was betting $250 on the horse in the first at Churchill and then dumping it all on Ministers Bid. Now I am betting a late double at Belmont for $100 using Ministers Bid and Mascot. I bet with real money. I don't go making up these $1000 and $500 bets I see here all day. You guys are full of it. You wouldn't be able to pay for your computers let alone the electricity if you guys were really betting that type of money. What are you all independently wealthy? LOL.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Your point? I used to work for Nissan... I know how that works.

My point is that not all used car dealerships are bad. The fact is buying a brand new car is a complete waste of money.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Exceller

My point is that not all used car dealerships are bad. The fact is buying a brand new car is a complete waste of money.

That's true also, but there are advantages and disadvantages to both.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Exceller

I was betting $250 today. That is what I budgeted. The first horse lost. I didn't bet the second because at 3-5 what is the point in betting $100. To make $60. I originally was betting $250 on the horse in the first at Churchill and then dumping it all on Ministers Bid. Now I am betting a late double at Belmont for $100 using Ministers Bid and Mascot. I bet with real money. I don't go making up these $1000 and $500 bets I see here all day. You guys are full of it. You wouldn't be able to pay for your computers let alone the electricity if you guys were really betting that type of money. What are you all independently wealthy? LOL.

No, not wealthy (at least I don't think so), but I've been working a long time and I've done ok. Exceller, you've got to get this gambling thing down a bit better. I'll even let you in on a few of SentToStud's secrets of successful horse wagering...

1. First, by "budgeting" a set amount, you're limiting upside and you cannot do that. After all, if you like 3 horses that are 2-1, 2-1 and 10-1 and you've gone through most or all of your "budget" by the time your 10-1 rolls around, you're gonna want to kill yourself when that 10-1 wins.

2. Never bet to place or show.

3. If a favorite looks deserving and looks fair value, it probably is. Pass the race. You'll lose in the long run betting on or against deserving chalk.

4. The key to making money is to set your own line. Lots of people know this. However, that effort alone is useless unless you are able and willing to wager more as the odds on your selection increase vs what you determined as fair odds. For example, If you are willing to bet $100 on a horse if he goes off at 5-1, you MUST be willing to bet MORE on your horse at 6-1, 7-1, etc.. This is single the most important factor in making money on horse race wagering. If you truly have family in the bookmaking business, ask them about this. Nothing makes a bookie's ass twitch faster than a larger than average wager from a customer on a longer priced horse. If they tell you this isn't true, they're lying.

Originally Posted by Exceller

No retraction. All I know is you didn't buy it for IEAH.

Hey genius, you ran your mouth and called me a liar yesterday. Now you give your best imitation of a backpeddling coward. Fact is that they werent the original owners of the horse in majority, Sandy was. Sandy's not just a client, hes a friend. I found the horse, called Ricky and Sandy, negotiated it and got her under contract, then had to arrange a weird shipping deal as there was a quarantine going on at the time for Florida shippers who werent being allowed into NYRA. She had to go to the NJ stable of Ricky's at Monmouth until they lifted the ban.
Yesterday you were using words like liar, today its a little more wishy washy. Problem with guys like you is that are nowheer near as clever as you think you are. You make false accusations and threats, and then after a while you see that you goofed and don't have enough courage as a man to say you were wrong. Thats ok, guys like you are a dime a dozen.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Hey genius, you ran your mouth and called me a liar yesterday. Now you give your best imitation of a backpeddling coward. Fact is that they werent the original owners of the horse in majority, Sandy was. Sandy's not just a client, hes a friend. I found the horse, called Ricky and Sandy, negotiated it and got her under contract, then had to arrange a weird shipping deal as there was a quarantine going on at the time for Florida shippers who werent being allowed into NYRA. She had to go to the NJ stable of Ricky's at Monmouth until they lifted the ban.
Yesterday you were using words like liar, today its a little more wishy washy. Problem with guys like you is that are nowheer near as clever as you think you are. You make false accusations and threats, and then after a while you see that you goofed and don't have enough courage as a man to say you were wrong. Thats ok, guys like you are a dime a dozen.

I know when I am wrong. I am just trying to ignore you, like the other smart people here. You make too many personal attacks on people. I will ignore your posts, do me the favor of ignoring mine.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

No, not wealthy (at least I don't think so), but I've been working a long time and I've done ok. Exceller, you've got to get this gambling thing down a bit better. I'll even let you in on a few of SentToStud's secrets of successful horse wagering...

1. First, by "budgeting" a set amount, you're limiting upside and you cannot do that. After all, if you like 3 horses that are 2-1, 2-1 and 10-1 and you've gone through most or all of your "budget" by the time your 10-1 rolls around, you're gonna want to kill yourself when that 10-1 wins.

2. Never bet to place or show.

3. If a favorite looks deserving and looks fair value, it probably is. Pass the race. You'll lose in the long run betting on or against deserving chalk.

4. The key to making money is to set your own line. Lots of people know this. However, that effort alone is useless unless you are able and willing to wager more as the odds on your selection increase vs what you determined as fair odds. For example, If you are willing to bet $100 on a horse if he goes off at 5-1, you MUST be willing to bet MORE on your horse at 6-1, 7-1, etc.. This is single the most important factor in making money on horse race wagering. If you truly have family in the bookmaking business, ask them about this. Nothing makes a bookie's ass twitch faster than a larger than average wager from a customer on a longer priced horse. If they tell you this isn't true, they're lying.

I am not a great gambler, that is why I set budgets. I anticipate losing what I bet. I have a percentage of a couple of horses and I have been told I can expect to lose money there too. I don't mind losing, horses are my entertainment.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Exceller

I know when I am wrong. I am just trying to ignore you, like the other smart people here. You make too many personal attacks on people. I will ignore your posts, do me the favor of ignoring mine.

Irregardless, you said slanderous things yesterday regarding Oracle's career, and you should learn to put your foot in your mouth when necessary. JMO, but I would apologize for that... smearing someone else's name doesn't make you look any better.

Originally Posted by Exceller

I know when I am wrong. I am just trying to ignore you, like the other smart people here. You make too many personal attacks on people. I will ignore your posts, do me the favor of ignoring mine.

Ok thats fine. When you wanna call me ***hole or anything else, hey thats fine, everyone has an opinion. But when you come on here and call me a liar about matters of business I have a right to call you out. I've tried to get along with you, don't really think you are a bad guy, and don't have anything against you until you start with the falsehoods. I just figure that a guy who calls another guy a liar and tells everyone he is gonna start making all those phone calls and what not ought to at least come back and say he goofed. You said you were wrong and thats fine by me. The matter is closed.

Originally Posted by Exceller

I am not a great gambler, that is why I set budgets. I anticipate losing what I bet. I have a percentage of a couple of horses and I have been told I can expect to lose money there too. I don't mind losing, horses are my entertainment.

Probably the best and most accurate post you ever wrote. Noone should ever go to the track and expect to win money, and you should always take what you can afford to lose, because you always have to anticipate a worst case scenario.

[Scav]

I expect to win EVERY SINGLE TIME.....otherwise, I wouldn't be going

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Exceller

I know when I am wrong. I am just trying to ignore you, like the other smart people here. You make too many personal attacks on people. I will ignore your posts, do me the favor of ignoring mine.

See Spot. See Spot run.

1. Wrong. Wrong. And, Wrong again (it happens to everyone ... face up to it).
2. Delusory Omnipotence Syndrome (aka DSP ... one hard slap by Mother often cures)
3. Thinks he knows "people in the know." (who doesn't? it's meaningless)
4. Budget? Budget?? (End of the day and your 5-1 play is going off at 10-1? and you want to talk about your budget??!!?? HUH??).