Women's World Cup

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I think any advantage you want to give Verlander for pitching in a "pitchers" park, when at home, is offset by the fact that Halladay gets an auto out at least once every 9 batters at least 75% of the time. Outside of Adam Dunne, Verlander has no easy outs.

Since very few pitchers average more than 6 IP that 1 in 9 number is not exactly accurate.

And considering there are exactly no good teams in the AL Central as of now the league difference isnt that big of a deal.

I am not knocking Verlander as I think he is great. But the assertion that he is clearly having a better season than Halladay is just not accurate.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by clyde

I'm sure there are.




But they failed to appear in that video...at least in the first 40 seconds---or so.

Thanks all the same.

They skipped the entire video believe me!

[clyde]

Oh I believe it.





What do you think of LifeAtTen's chances in the Delaware thing?

[clyde]

Just what I was looking for..thaaaanks!

[ateamstupid]

Get that boring ass baseball crap out of my WWC thread.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So you still want to stick with that 99% number?

99 percent was antitrust's number if you've read the entire thread.

[clyde]

Now they're arguing about the source of 99%...as well as the real value of 99%.



Raw data cooking is next.

I'm leaving.

[slotdirt]

I liked the hot female soccer player talk better if that helps.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

99 percent was antitrust's number if you've read the entire thread.

false. did you read the thread?

the only 99% i used was that managers would agree the phillies have the best rotation in baseball. i still think that is true.

it had nothing to do with verlander vs halladay. it wouldnt be smart to say 99% when you are comparing the two best pitchers in baseball. I would assume that number would be close to 50/50 if you are talking about having a pitcher for this year only. long term contract Verlander would be more inticing based on age only.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Get that boring ass baseball crap out of my WWC thread.

irony of the word boring and a soccer thread. (though the US womens team is far from boring)

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Halladay has been the best pitcher in baseball and a surefire hall of famer Is he in 2011? I'd say 99 out of 100 managers and GM's would take Verlander based on the two pitchers respective first half work. Halladay is a great pitcher; Verlander has been borderline unhittable this year.

point.

LOL

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

99 percent was antitrust's number if you've read the entire thread.

LOL

[clyde]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I liked the hot female soccer player talk better if that helps.

lol

[slotdirt]

It wouldn't be smart to say "99 percent" in the context of anything. I think 99 out of 100 is just as ridiculous to describe a Verlander versus Halladay argument as it is in describing a Phillies versus Braves argument. If one reads the thread, the only reason I used 99 out of 100 was to mimick your equally as asinine statistic that 99 out of 100 GM's, players, or whatever, would take the rotation of the Phillies over that of the Braves.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

LOL

Touche...

hahhahahahah.

so you read an article... meaning you havent watched baseball.

zero credibility. 99 out of 100 scouts / managers would say the phillies have the best rotation.
and the braves have a better bullpen... the best in the majors. not a better rotation.

just give up, you have no leg to stand on.

[Antitrust32]

lol..... okaaaaay

[Antitrust32]

Listen, the braves still have a few years to go until they get there. they are young and have no limits.

If you are going on overall pitching (including bullpen) you have a good arguement. Based on what we have been talking about (rotation) I'd personally take the Giants over the Braves. Braves would 3rd best IMO.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Listen, the braves still have a few years to go until they get there. they are young and have no limits.

If you are going on overall pitching (including bullpen) you have a good arguement. Based on what we have been talking about (rotation) I'd personally take the Giants over the Braves. Braves would 3rd best IMO.

That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it.

Cole Hamels: 132 innings; 2.32 ERA; 121 SO; 24 walks

Cliff Lee: 137.1 innings; 2.82 ERA; 137 strike outs; 29 walks

Roy Halladay: 143.1 innings; 2.45 ERA; 138 SO; 17 BB

Vance Worley: 49 innings; 2.20 ERA; 37 SO; 20 BB

Roy Oswalt: 71.1 innings; 3.79 ERA; 42 SO; 18 BB

Kendrick has started 7 times with a 3.58 ERA and Blanton was only around 6 games before he went on the DL and had a terrible 5.5 ERA. neither of the two have been regulars. we often skip the 5th starter if there is a day off

Braves:

Jair Jurrjens: 110.2 innings; 1.87 ERA; 65 SO; 25 BB

Tommy Hanson: 103.1 innings; 2.44 ERA; 109 SO; 35 BB

Brandon Beachy: 67.1 innings; 3.21 ERA; 78 So; 15 BB

Tim Hudson: 113.1 innings; 3.57 ERA; 79 SO's; 30 BB

Derek Lowe: 113 innings; 4.30 ERA; 81 SO's; 41 BB

Mike Minor started 6 times with a 4.59 ERA and Teheran started twice with a 5.19 ERA


Giants:

Let Timmy Smoke: 123.1 innings; 3.06 ERA; 132 SO; 45 BB

Matt Cain: 126.1 innings; 3.06 ERA; 105 SO; 33 BB

Ryan Vogelsong: 91.1 innings; 2.17 ERA; 70 SO; 32 BB

Jonathan Sanchez: 89.2 innings; 3.81 ERA; 92 SO; 59 BB

Bumgarner: 104.2 innings; 3.87 ERA; 92 SO; 27 BB

Zito started 6 times with a 3.18 ERA


Totals of the main 5 pitchers in the rotations (throwing out Kendrick, Blanton, Minor, Teheren and Zito)


Phillies: 532.3 innings; average 2.71 ERA; 475 SO; 108 BB

Braves: 506.5 innings; average 3.07 ERA; 412 SO; 146 BB

Giants: 533.7 innings; average 3.19 ERA; 491 SO; 196 BB



so...... its an educated opinion that is supported by facts. except for now that I look at the whole picture, I might take the Braves over the Giants, close call though. Phillies ahead by a decent margin, especially when you factor in the SO/BB. this pretty much settles the arguement.


as far as overall team ERA: Phillies have a 3.02, Braves 3.11; Giants i believe are 3.17

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Cole Hamels: 132 innings; 2.32 ERA; 121 SO; 24 walks

Cliff Lee: 137.1 innings; 2.82 ERA; 137 strike outs; 29 walks

Roy Halladay: 143.1 innings; 2.45 ERA; 138 SO; 17 BB

Vance Worley: 49 innings; 2.20 ERA; 37 SO; 20 BB

Roy Oswalt: 71.1 innings; 3.79 ERA; 42 SO; 18 BB

Kendrick has started 7 times with a 3.58 ERA and Blanton was only around 6 games before he went on the DL and had a terrible 5.5 ERA. neither of the two have been regulars. we often skip the 5th starter if there is a day off

Braves:

Jair Jurrjens: 110.2 innings; 1.87 ERA; 65 SO; 25 BB

Tommy Hanson: 103.1 innings; 2.44 ERA; 109 SO; 35 BB

Brandon Beachy: 67.1 innings; 3.21 ERA; 78 So; 15 BB

Tim Hudson: 113.1 innings; 3.57 ERA; 79 SO's; 30 BB

Derek Lowe: 113 innings; 4.30 ERA; 81 SO's; 41 BB

Mike Minor started 6 times with a 4.59 ERA and Teheran started twice with a 5.19 ERA


Giants:

Let Timmy Smoke: 123.1 innings; 3.06 ERA; 132 SO; 45 BB

Matt Cain: 126.1 innings; 3.06 ERA; 105 SO; 33 BB

Ryan Vogelsong: 91.1 innings; 2.17 ERA; 70 SO; 32 BB

Jonathan Sanchez: 89.2 innings; 3.81 ERA; 92 SO; 59 BB

Bumgarner: 104.2 innings; 3.87 ERA; 92 SO; 27 BB

Zito started 6 times with a 3.18 ERA


Totals of the main 5 pitchers in the rotations (throwing out Kendrick, Blanton, Minor, Teheren and Zito)


Phillies: 532.3 innings; average 2.71 ERA; 475 SO; 108 BB

Braves: 506.5 innings; average 3.07 ERA; 412 SO; 146 BB

Giants: 533.7 innings; average 3.19 ERA; 491 SO; 196 BB



so...... its an educated opinion that is supported by facts. except for now that I look at the whole picture, I might take the Braves over the Giants, close call though. Phillies ahead by a decent margin, especially when you factor in the SO/BB. this pretty much settles the arguement.


as far as overall team ERA: Phillies have a 3.02, Braves 3.11; Giants i believe are 3.17

And like I said, you're entitled to it. As I also said in my very first post on the topic, the three are close enough that one could argue that the Braves (or Giants as you've added) have had a better overall rotation than the Phillies this year. I've never even said the Braves are actually definitively better; I simply made the point that it's not beyond the realm of possiblity that they are.