Elway trying to draft the next Elway

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

The Jets suck too now.

denver's offense scored 10 points in 60 minutes.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

denver's offense scored 10 points in 60 minutes.

I think an arguement could be made it was really only 7. I put the first 3 on Jets punter TJ Conley who gave them unbelieveable field position. They only got 15 yards before they kicked the FG.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

snort.


no. you telling me there are no 'good guys' on the jets? gimme a break.

Probably not

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Punters can shank one once in a while, anywhere, of course, but you'd hope for that not to happen in Denver, where a punter can get more out of his kicks there than anywhere else. That shank was a major culprit in the first score.

Someone mentioned a few days before the game that he was disappointed in the Jets' safeties. Considering Leonhard's miss at the beginning of the final drive and Smith's culpability at the end of it, I'd have to say that the analysis seems legitimate.

They are just not quite where they need to be at times.

Come on, the Defense gave up 10 points last night and 3 of them were after the shank, which left the Broncos in FG position. That loss last night is definitely not on the Jets defense (even taking the last 5 minutes into consideration).

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

Tebow is like a hand-job everyone happy with the results even though it probably isn't their preferred method of play. His style will go the way of the Wildcat as soon as Defenses start taking them seriously.

Exactly. They went to Tebow because he created interest and he did something differently that no one else does. He is a really good option QB but everyone knows that the option syle wont work in the NFL for very long. As soon a coordinators have a chance to see what they are doing and gameplan a little for it there will be even less success than there currently is.

I think there is a place for Tebow in the NFL in a Brad Smith type role but there is no way Denver can think they can run the option as a long term offensive plan.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by jms62

Tebow is like a hand-job everyone happy with the results even though it probably isn't their preferred method of play. His style will go the way of the Wildcat as soon as Defenses start taking them seriously.

As long as the defense continues to keep games close, them and the special teams which are the best in the NFL I think, they can keep winning.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Exactly. They went to Tebow because he created interest and he did something differently that no one else does. He is a really good option QB but everyone knows that the option syle wont work in the NFL for very long. As soon a coordinators have a chance to see what they are doing and gameplan a little for it there will be even less success than there currently is.

I think there is a place for Tebow in the NFL in a Brad Smith type role but there is no way Denver can think they can run the option as a long term offensive plan.

I dont think the option is the plan, I do think they are going to have to do some serious work with him and get him accurate under pressure. He has the arm, just seems scared to throw picks so every pass is wide or under. That has led to a nice TD/INT ratio though for the stats guys.
Gotta figure if he can throw it where the defense cant catch it, maybe he can eventually throw it where his guy can.

Maybe he is right handed?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

As long as the defense continues to keep games close, them and the special teams which are the best in the NFL I think, they can keep winning.

So as long as the defense gives up less than 14 points a game and scores a TD, in addition to Prater having a 60 yard leg and Colquitt consistantly pinning teams inside the 10 they should be able to keep winning.......

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I dont think the option is the plan, I do think they are going to have to do some serious work with him and get him accurate under pressure. He has the arm, just seems scared to throw picks so every pass is wide or under. That has led to a nice TD/INT ratio though for the stats guys.
Gotta figure if he can throw it where the defense cant catch it, maybe he can eventually throw it where his guy can.

Maybe he is right handed?

The problem is that many of the poorly thrown balls last night were when no one was even near him. I do think one of his problems is that he tries to throw the ball too hard, which leads to some wildness. He gunned a few last night (and a few should have been caught), that were just unnecessary.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

The problem is that many of the poorly thrown balls last night were when no one was even near him. I do think one of his problems is that he tries to throw the ball too hard, which leads to some wildness. He gunned a few last night (and a few should have been caught), that were just unnecessary.

It is true, I do think it comes back to fear of the pick, better it hit the ground kinda thing in his head. Not making any kind of comparison in any way here but when Farve came into the league he did the same with his arm.

[Cannon Shell]

Teams are daring him to pass and yet he still struggles with seemingly simply completions. For whatever reason he seems to be more effective when not in the pocket which will eventually lead to hit taking a lot of big hits. I'm not a hater and he has an unusual skill set which can be utilized in some fashion but he has a longer windup than Hideo Nomo and between that and his accuracy probem it is hard to believe that the league wont be able to contain him pretty easily.

[RockHardTen1985]

I think long term Tebow will be a solid NFL QB. He might not ever make a pro bowl, but he finds ways to win games. He is better then at least 1/3 of the starters now, including the guy he beat last nighy. The guy seems dedicated enough, there is no reasson at all he cant work on his throwing and other aspects of his game that need to be improved. Denver needs a lot of things... They need a WR they need a RB, those are just the skill things that they need. They should not be looking at getting another QB, they should try to improve the team around Tebow.

[hi_im_god]

can we please just drop the completely false argument that team wins trump individual skills in this discussion?

if all that matters is wins then tebow at 4-1 is the favorite for rookie of the year over a 2-7 fraud like cam newton.

and they both trail randall cobb who is apparently leading green bay to a so far undefeated season.

you can argue that his skill set is different from that of the typical nfl quarterback. you can argue that he brings intangible assets like leadership or a "will to win".

but gloating over a win where your offense scored 10 points the entire game (with 3 of those coming on a 15 yard drive) is drooling on the floor idiotic when the discussion is qb skills.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I think long term Tebow will be a solid NFL QB. He might not ever make a pro bowl, but he finds ways to win games. He is better then at least 1/3 of the starters now, including the guy he beat last nighy. The guy seems dedicated enough, there is no reasson at all he cant work on his throwing and other aspects of his game that need to be improved. Denver needs a lot of things... They need a WR they need a RB, those are just the skill things that they need. They should not be looking at getting another QB, they should try to improve the team around Tebow.

I'm sorry I disagree with that. I can't see how a guy who can't throw the ball be beter than 10 other NFL QB's.

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

can we please just drop the completely false argument that team wins trump individual skills in this discussion?

if all that matters is wins then tebow at 4-1 is the favorite for rookie of the year over a 2-7 fraud like cam newton.

and they both trail randall cobb who is apparently leading green bay to a so far undefeated season.

you can argue that his skill set is different from that of the typical nfl quarterback. you can argue that he brings intangible assets like leadership or a "will to win".

but gloating over a win where your offense scored 10 points the entire game (with 3 of those coming on a 15 yard drive) is drooling on the floor idiotic when the discussion is qb skills.

No it's not. It shows that he doesn't get frustrated easily. Tard-o for the Chargers would've checked out at halftime with a performance similar to last night.

He's got intangibles. Plus he's an unbearable personality. Awful combo.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

No it's not. It shows that he doesn't get frustrated easily. Tard-o for the Chargers would've checked out at halftime with a performance similar to last night.

He's got intangibles. Plus he's an unbearable personality. Awful combo.

Whats unbearable about him?

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Whats unbearable about him?

The disingenuous praying after every big play. A true Christian doesn't gloat their faith in competition...unless they're playing against Satan.

He needs to tone that s.hit down. I'd have a bromance with him if he was agnostic.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I think long term Tebow will be a solid NFL QB. He might not ever make a pro bowl, but he finds ways to win games. He is better then at least 1/3 of the starters now, including the guy he beat last nighy. The guy seems dedicated enough, there is no reasson at all he cant work on his throwing and other aspects of his game that need to be improved. Denver needs a lot of things... They need a WR they need a RB, those are just the skill things that they need. They should not be looking at getting another QB, they should try to improve the team around Tebow.

You don't think he has been working on improving his throwing motion since way before the draft (2 yrs+)? It's not working.

I am not a hater, I'm actually a Gator, but I know what I see and I do not see a "solid NFL QB".

He's a solid NFL player. Big deal if he moves to tight end or fullback...actually with a decent quarterback that would be borderline unfair.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

He's a solid NFL player. Big deal if he moves to tight end or fullback...actually with a decent quarterback that would be borderline unfair.

I agree.