LSU vs Bama

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Also, bet you dollars to doughnuts that if LSU wins this weekend and Okie State figures out a way to really play strong against OU that the voters figure out a way to tighten up the divide between Ok State and Alabama. Maybe not enough to avoid the rematch like 2006 and 2007, but a lot closer than one would think.

Alabama is absolutely a great team, but their actual body of work just doesn't match up with Oklahoma State this year in terms of quality of opponents.

Ok State lost to Iowa State. Bama lost to LSU.
Bama beat Arkansas and outplayed LSU in a loss. Ok State, seriously?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Ok State lost to Iowa State. Bama lost to LSU.
Bama beat Arkansas and outplayed LSU in a loss. Ok State, seriously?

Alabama beat Penn State 27-11, Wisconsin beat Penn State 45-7 when everything was on the line for Penn State. Is WI better than Alabama? Most likely not but we will never know because they won't play each other.

Kind of like Heisman voting. Montee Ball has a 6.5 yrds/carry average, 29 rushing TD's, and 5 Receiving TD's. Richardson has a 6.0 yrds/carry, 20 rushing TD's and 3 receiving Td's. Montee Ball isn't even in the Heisman conversation outside of WI, however Richardson could win it.

Look at the NFL some people would have argued last year that the best team didn't win since the Packers won as a sixth seed barely getting in. The packers roster is only slightly changed from last year and does anyone doubt that they are the best team right now in the NFL? So were they the best team last year as well and just played a few bad games throughout the regular season? Could that change at any time? yes. Will they be the best team by the end of the year is yet to be determined and will be determined in imagine that "the playoffs".

Unless there is only 1 undefeated team at the end of the year the national championship is a joke and will be solely about the $ and not actually determining a true champion

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Alabama beat Penn State 27-11, Wisconsin beat Penn State 45-7 when everything was on the line for Penn State. Is WI better than Alabama? Most likely not but we will never know because they won't play each other.

Kind of like Heisman voting. Montee Ball has a 6.5 yrds/carry average, 29 rushing TD's, and 5 Receiving TD's. Richardson has a 6.0 yrds/carry, 20 rushing TD's and 3 receiving Td's. Montee Ball isn't even in the Heisman conversation outside of WI, however Richardson could win it.

Look at the NFL some people would have argued last year that the best team didn't win since the Packers won as a sixth seed barely getting in. The packers roster is only slightly changed from last year and does anyone doubt that they are the best team right now in the NFL? So were they the best team last year as well and just played a few bad games throughout the regular season? Could that change at any time? yes. Will they be the best team by the end of the year is yet to be determined and will be determined in imagine that "the playoffs".

Unless there is only 1 undefeated team at the end of the year the national championship is a joke and will be solely about the $ and not actually determining a true champion

Wisconsin would beat OK ST right now.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Alabama beat Penn State 27-11, Wisconsin beat Penn State 45-7 when everything was on the line for Penn State. Is WI better than Alabama? Most likely not but we will never know because they won't play each other.

Kind of like Heisman voting. Montee Ball has a 6.5 yrds/carry average, 29 rushing TD's, and 5 Receiving TD's. Richardson has a 6.0 yrds/carry, 20 rushing TD's and 3 receiving Td's. Montee Ball isn't even in the Heisman conversation outside of WI, however Richardson could win it.

Look at the NFL some people would have argued last year that the best team didn't win since the Packers won as a sixth seed barely getting in. The packers roster is only slightly changed from last year and does anyone doubt that they are the best team right now in the NFL? So were they the best team last year as well and just played a few bad games throughout the regular season? Could that change at any time? yes. Will they be the best team by the end of the year is yet to be determined and will be determined in imagine that "the playoffs".

Unless there is only 1 undefeated team at the end of the year the national championship is a joke and will be solely about the $ and not actually determining a true champion

The beauty of the NFL is you can get away with a bad game.
LSU has not palyed a bad game, Bama has not played a bad game and those teams play the best teams all year long.
The common opponent argument is often ignored and probably rightly so based on the any given day theory. As long as LSU wins this weekend (likely even if they lose) they should play Bama for the title.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

The beauty of the NFL is you can get away with a bad game.
LSU has not palyed a bad game, Bama has not played a bad game and those teams play the best teams all year long.
The common opponent argument is often ignored and probably rightly so based on the any given day theory. As long as LSU wins this weekend (likely even if they lose) they should play Bama for the title.

Who did Arkansas beat? they got crushed by bama and lsu. So why are they any better than WI who lost 2 fluke games at the end and crushed all their other opponents? You could say Arkansas best wins were Auburn (there was a reason why russell wilson chose WI over Auburn) and South Carolina(who beat no one really besides GA by 3 at the begininng of the year). Arkansas ranked 8 in BCS and WI is 15th. Makes total sense right?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Who did Arkansas beat? they got crushed by bama and lsu. So why are they any better than WI who lost 2 fluke games at the end and crushed all their other opponents? You could say Arkansas best wins were Auburn (there was a reason why russell wilson chose WI over Auburn) and South Carolina(who beat no one really besides GA by 3 at the begininng of the year). Arkansas ranked 8 in BCS and WI is 15th. Makes total sense right?

Wisconsin would also beat Arkansas.

[RockHardTen1985]

There really needs to be a playoff, I think teams like Wisconsin and Va Tech have the right roster to get hot and beat teams like LSU and Bama.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Who did Arkansas beat? they got crushed by bama and lsu. So why are they any better than WI who lost 2 fluke games at the end and crushed all their other opponents? You could say Arkansas best wins were Auburn (there was a reason why russell wilson chose WI over Auburn) and South Carolina(who beat no one really besides GA by 3 at the begininng of the year). Arkansas ranked 8 in BCS and WI is 15th. Makes total sense right?

You cannot afford to lose "fluke games" in the current system. Arkansas plays in the conference that has produced what, 8 of the last 10 Nat'l Champs? The fact that the SEC doesn't win it every year is because they are forced to play each other all year which leads to losses.
I like Wisconsin a lot and wanted them to run the table as I thought they might have a shot vs. LSU or Bama.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Wisconsin would also beat Arkansas.

No shot.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

You cannot afford to lose "fluke games" in the current system. Arkansas plays in the conference that has produced what, 8 of the last 10 Nat'l Champs? The fact that the SEC doesn't win it every year is because they are forced to play each other all year which leads to losses.
I like Wisconsin a lot and wanted them to run the table as I thought they might have a shot vs. LSU or Bama.

I agree in the current system you can't afford stupid loses or any losses. The problem is the system doesn't provide a clear cut true Champion. It is flawed terribly. So if you think WI has a shot to beat either LSU or Bama how can you be happy with a system that doesn't allow them to play each other and determine that on the field instead of with a computer or politics. Maybe Obama can hold to a campaign promise and fix this system

[slotdirt]

I think folks are confusing better "team" with better "season." Okie State has twice as many top 25 BCS wins as does Alabama. Alabama literally beat three teams with winning records all season. I don't get how their body of work is superior to Oklahoma State's, fluky Friday night Iowa State loss or not.

The biggest joke will be if UGa figures out a way to beat LSU this weekend and we end up with a national "championship" game featuring two non-conference winners.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

No shot.

It would be a blowout actually.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by wiphan

I agree in the current system you can't afford stupid loses or any losses. The problem is the system doesn't provide a clear cut true Champion. It is flawed terribly. So if you think WI has a shot to beat either LSU or Bama how can you be happy with a system that doesn't allow them to play each other and determine that on the field instead of with a computer or politics. Maybe Obama can hold to a campaign promise and fix this system

I am not defending the system by any means. I think it is a complete disaster.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

It would be a blowout actually.

OK, because the speed and skill in the Big Ten are so superior to the SEC. I think they would be able to run the ball but the defense would not have any shot at stopping the AK offense.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

OK, because the speed and skill in the Big Ten are so superior to the SEC. I think they would be able to run the ball but the defense would not have any shot at stopping the AK offense.

Didn't Ohio St beat Arkansas last year in the Sugar Bowl? I believe that was a matchup of the number 2 Big Ten Team against the number 2 SEC team.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Didn't Ohio St beat Arkansas last year in the Sugar Bowl? I believe that was a matchup of the number 2 Big Ten Team against the number 2 SEC team.

They didn't actually have a single win last year. They were co-champs of the Big 10 with Michigan and Wisconsin I think, prior to turning over all their wins of course. The officiating was suspect in that game as well, as a gambler I say that to make myself feel better. Ohio State had lost 8 or nine straight to SEC going in so it made sense...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Didn't Ohio St beat Arkansas last year in the Sugar Bowl? I believe that was a matchup of the number 2 Big Ten Team against the number 2 SEC team.

yep, they did. arkansas has a poor post season record; their last bowl win was vs east carolina. don't hear much about that tho.
it was hilarious around here when osu got stripped of their wins. hog fans were saying hey, we won...er, no, you didn't!


was arky really #2 sec last year tho? hard to imagine.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yep, they did. arkansas has a poor post season record; their last bowl win was vs east carolina. don't hear much about that tho.
it was hilarious around here when osu got stripped of their wins. hog fans were saying hey, we won...er, no, you didn't!


was arky really #2 sec last year tho? hard to imagine.

They were, the east beat each other all year and so did the west except Auburn of course. Ark was ahead of LSU (though tied).

[dagolfer33]

LSU vs. BAMA II, January 9, 2012. Like it or not its coming. Les is still sitting on the plays in the back of his playbook.

[Patrick333]

Those Tigers are something else aren't they? They just find a way to win.