Hard Spun

[Samarta]

Leaving Oaklawn for Ky.....now running in the Lane's End....reason is that he supposedly didn't like the surface at Oaklawn.

[JDank34]

wonder how he will like the poly?????? something about this move seems strange to me!!! what does everyone else think?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by JDank34

wonder how he will like the poly?????? something about this move seems strange to me!!! what does everyone else think?

I agree it sounds strange to me too. What this move will show us is a small part of something that will have to be dealt with as long as we have a smattering of all-weather ovals and the same amount of conventional dirt tracks. I was very interested in seeing if it seemed like polytrack runners would fare better in the Breeders' Cup. Their performances as a whole were good, I think probably right around what you'd expect. Now you have the question to answer, if you are a trainer, about whether you want your horse to prep on the poly or not.

This move is questionable because over the last few years nothing goes into the Lane's End and nothing comes out. It is in a bad place on the calendar because if you still need one more prep then the Derby will be race #3 in six weeks.

NT

[MisterB]

Needs some spending money

[saucon17]

Originally Posted by JDank34

wonder how he will like the poly?????? something about this move seems strange to me!!! what does everyone else think?

I think he has trained over and had 1 workout over the
tapeta surface at Fair Hill when he was stabled there
for a little while

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I agree it sounds strange to me too. What this move will show us is a small part of something that will have to be dealt with as long as we have a smattering of all-weather ovals and the same amount of conventional dirt tracks. I was very interested in seeing if it seemed like polytrack runners would fare better in the Breeders' Cup. Their performances as a whole were good, I think probably right around what you'd expect. Now you have the question to answer, if you are a trainer, about whether you want your horse to prep on the poly or not.

This move is questionable because over the last few years nothing goes into the Lane's End and nothing comes out. It is in a bad place on the calendar because if you still need one more prep then the Derby will be race #3 in six weeks.

NT

How many of the derby contenders use the hollywood surface to train on while prepping for the dirt preps at SA? The one thing you keep hearing about the cushion ,is how kind it is to the horses.

[declansharbor]

I really believe that they are trying to save face here..They didnt complain when he had a few nice works over the Oaklawn surface..He lost because he wasnt used to racing other horses with early speed, and obviously didnt like the dirt being kicked up in his mug...As a big fan of this colt, I hope to see him as a miler, not a classic distance horse...there he would be able to use his tactical speed out of the gate.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

there he would be able to use his tactical speed out of the gate.

He should have used it last time.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by MisterB

He should have used it last time.

Tell me about it.. I know he was told to do so, but Pino has to be replaced..

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Tell me about it.. I know he was told to do so, but Pino has to be replaced..

The story goes, Pino was told to rate the horse, however, he got off a step slow, and Pino just did what the boss told him to do. I don't buy the story, He didn't like the track, he work great on it. So, I toos the race as aclunker, and maybe someone learned, the horse has speed, use it to your advantage.

[slotdirt]

Hard Spun worked another bullet this morning. Who knows what that means.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

it means that everyone needs to stop looking so far into this thing and realize maybe he just dident handle the track. i think this horse will be fine

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I agree it sounds strange to me too. What this move will show us is a small part of something that will have to be dealt with as long as we have a smattering of all-weather ovals and the same amount of conventional dirt tracks. I was very interested in seeing if it seemed like polytrack runners would fare better in the Breeders' Cup. Their performances as a whole were good, I think probably right around what you'd expect. Now you have the question to answer, if you are a trainer, about whether you want your horse to prep on the poly or not.

This move is questionable because over the last few years nothing goes into the Lane's End and nothing comes out. It is in a bad place on the calendar because if you still need one more prep then the Derby will be race #3 in six weeks.

NT

The Keeneland Lexington ? oops, i was thinking of pre poly keeneland , not kind now to early speed. Maybe the horse is one of those that peaked early and the others caught up now.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by point given

The Keeneland Lexington ? oops, i was thinking of pre poly keeneland , not kind now to early speed. Maybe the horse is one of those that peaked early and the others caught up now.

because of one bad race, he peaked early and others have cought up? he was definitly overated at one point he was 3-3 but had beat no one in those races, but to say he has peaked already, i think this horse will be ok

[slotdirt]

He worked on the poly at Turfway as well. I agree that he should be fine. They need to pick their spots carefully in order to get the requisite earnings.

[Danzig]

one shouldn't jump on a horse due to one good race, or off due to a bad one. besides, those who jump on are too late--those who bail might live to regret it the next time the horse runs....

[slotdirt]

Hey, I've never been completely off the Hard Spun bandwagon! Who doesn't love Philly?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Hey, I've never been completely off the Hard Spun bandwagon! Who doesn't love Philly?

John, the better question is who does??

Then again, I loved Smarty, Rockport Harbour, et al. But more of a John Servis fan than anything else.

[saucon17]

Originally Posted by GPK

John, the better question is who does??

Then again, I loved Smarty, Rockport Harbour, et al. But more of a John Servis fan than anything else.

Don't know if you saw it, but here is an article on DRF about Servis.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/82963.html

[slotdirt]

What is it with Hard Spun getting crappy posts in Derby preps?