Minister's Bid

[blackthroatedwind]

Good luck to this horse, especially going long, against any good horses. He had a picture perfect trip, against two mediocrities, and was life and death to win. Where is he going from here? Yet another overhyped horse from the Ward barn ( anyone remember Stong Contendor? ).

Based on his sensational first effort if he is to make any impact it will be going shorter. Unfortunately, due to the lofty goals set for him, talking Haskell and Travers BEFORE this race, we are unlikely to see him in the King's Bishop. Not sure he would be close to good enough for that one but he would sure have a better shot than going long against tough horses.

[sumitas]

He won by 2 lengths going away. Prado rode the perfect race. MB put away the two tepid pacesetters in the stretch. What more do you want ?

Geez I don't know about that. I know the last 1/4 was extremely slow but I think higher of both the 2nd and 3rd place finishers than you do I guess.
I think he was goofing, and I'm not prone to make that asessment real often. His ears were al l the way forward and flipping even as he was galloping out. He looked like a goofball who was having a ball out there to me. I would think he would move way forward off this race.

[blackthroatedwind]

His first race was very impressive....no doubt. His second race was a total dud. Perfect trip and they crawled home.

Yeah, he has been off a couple months, what Ward horse isn't, but this was a very ordinary performance. Hell, Racketeer was in a drive for 7F.

[Gander]

I thought MB was dead on the far turn. Thought for sure Randall's horse Racketeer was going to win and Bull was going to hold 2nd. Randall is almost always right when he gives out horses on top on here.

[sumitas]

Prado finally got MB to turn it up at the top of the stretch. MB found his stride and dug in to pull away. The horse has got to learn a lot off this race.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Geez I don't know about that. I know the last 1/4 was extremely slow but I think higher of both the 2nd and 3rd place finishers than you do I guess.
I think he was goofing, and I'm not prone to make that asessment real often. His ears were al l the way forward and flipping even as he was galloping out. He looked like a goofball who was having a ball out there to me. I would think he would move way forward off this race.

Wasn't that impressed. Extremely slow last 1/4 is an understatement. They were only going 1 mile. The 2nd and 3rd place finishers are nothing special. Hard to get a read on the horse because his other was at Keeneland, but I thought this horse would be more impressive. Hard to see that horse competing with Bernardini in the Travers with only one more race under his belt.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

His first race was very impressive....no doubt. His second race was a total dud. Perfect trip and they crawled home.

Yeah, he has been off a couple months, what Ward horse isn't, but this was a very ordinary performance. Hell, Racketeer was in a drive for 7F.

I totally agree.

[Gander]

Lets face it, he doesnt exactly have any world beaters to beat until he takes on 4 & 5 year olds. The 3 year olds left in training right now leave a lot to be desired. This horse may not lose another race until the BC Classic. Jazil is a joke and so is Bluegrass Rat. The only 3 year old horses he has to fear are Bernardini and Corinthian.

[sumitas]

He was my lock today and he didn't dissappoint. Thanks boardies for pointing him out.

His race was comparable to Survivalist last Friday. Survivalist (4 yr old) started a little slower but ended up a little faster at 1:35 to 1:36 for MB. For his 2nd career start, I was impressed.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

The Belmont winner is a joke? I don't think that was a joke to Pletcher(kept him from getting a his 1st Triple Crown Race win.)Why don't you show some respect?

[sumitas]

And what is wrong with Bluegrass Cat ? He is a tough campaigner. For a Storm Cat , he shows mucho stamina.

Originally Posted by sumitas

And what is wrong with Bluegrass Cat ? He is a tough campaigner. For a Storm Cat , he shows mucho stamina.

Bluegrass Cat would beat Ministers Bid at 10F.

[randallscott35]

I think Sunriver will win the Travers. Reminds me very much of Flower Alley. And I think he will be much more successful than Bluegrass Cat the rest of this year.

[Gander]

Ya never know. Sorry Scuds, I disresepcted your horse. But its okay if you call All Hail Stormy, a favorite of mine, "my pet rat". Didnt know how sensitive you were, thought you were just a hardcore gambler. My bad.

Randall, I dont doubt anything you say after you showed me up in the BC.
Your the man!

[Exceller]

Ministers Bid looked great to me. Put $750 in my pocket with the late double.

Fractions for the race were 110.16 and 136.77 for the mile. Track looked a little slow but 26.5 for the final 1/4 is super slow.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Gander

Ya never know. Sorry Scuds, I disresepcted your horse. But its okay if you call All Hail Stormy, a favorite of mine, "my pet rat". Didnt know how sensitive you were, thought you were just a hardcore gambler. My bad.

Randall, I dont doubt anything you say after you showed me up in the BC.
Your the man!

Well,the facts are that Jazil won a 1 million dollar grade 1 race.He is the 3 year old that showed improvement from the Kentucky Derby to the Belmont(a time when most stay the same,or regress.)He is well bred,and could keep improving.I just don't see how you can say the horse is a joke when he keeps running hard to the wire.I just don't understand the lack of respect shown that horse.Maybe his lack of speed is the reason people dislike him.I play very few horses that show the work ethic this horse shows.Very few.Just take a look at most of the raters(when the race doesn't set up for them.)They don't keep coming (regardless.)He does.I'll promise you one thing about this horse.He will not give up.He may get beat,but he ain't gunna quit,and go up and down,and side to side (like these others do when they see they are beaten.)

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well,the facts are that Jazil won a 1 million dollar grade 1 race.He is the 3 year old that showed improvement from the Kentucky Derby to the Belmont(a time when most stay the same,or regress.)He is well bred,and could keep improving.I just don't see how you can say the horse is a joke when he keeps running hard to the wire.I just don't understand the lack of respect shown that horse.Maybe his lack of speed is the reason people dislike him.I play very few horses that show the work ethic this horse shows.Very few.Just take a look at most of the raters(when the race doesn't set up for them.)They don't keep coming (regardless.)He does.I'll promise you one thing about this horse.He will not give up.He may get beat,but he ain't gunna quit,and go up and down,and side to side (like these others do when they see they are beaten.)

Can't knock Jazil but he doesn't appear to be that fast.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Good luck to this horse, especially going long, against any good horses. He had a picture perfect trip, against two mediocrities, and was life and death to win. Where is he going from here? Yet another overhyped horse from the Ward barn ( anyone remember Stong Contendor? ).

Based on his sensational first effort if he is to make any impact it will be going shorter. Unfortunately, due to the lofty goals set for him, talking Haskell and Travers BEFORE this race, we are unlikely to see him in the King's Bishop. Not sure he would be close to good enough for that one but he would sure have a better shot than going long against tough horses.

Wow, I think you might be a little tough on this horse! Did he look like he was ready to win the Travers today? Of course not. But this was only his second lifetime start. Nobody is going to confuse the 2 he beat with Slew and Affirmed, but they are both pretty good 3yo to beat your first time going 8f & after a layoff. He has the pedigree to indicate he will stretch out and improve, and although the closing time was slow, he was pulling away in the final strides. Obviously he will need to keep improving, but to me he looks like he has the potential to do it. Today was a nice win.