Pletcher ... Same Old Story

[ateamstupid]

I know his horses were marooned in difficult posts, but another bullshit showing from the John Edward lookalike.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I know his horses were marooned in difficult posts, but another bullshit showing from the John Edward lookalike.

Next time you see Mr.Pletcher...he'll have platinum blonde hair
and he'll look like Billy Idol off today's results

[Cannon Shell]

But he did win the maiden race after the Derby

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

t pleach WHATS UP #####

Pletcher has something to look forward to. Cowtown Cat will be a lock in the Hawthorne Gold Cup. A good prep would be the St. Louis Derby at Fairmount.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

But he did win the maiden race after the Derby

Was that a lock or what??? The man has become a legend at winning the booby prize. He did the same thing last year after failing (Yes Yes Yes won the 11th and paid $18)

[philcski]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I know his horses were marooned in difficult posts, but another bullshit showing from the John Edward lookalike.

One of these years he'll realize that an 8 week layoff or shuttling his horses around simply to appease his clients does NOT work in the attempt to win the Derby.

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by philcski

One of these years he'll realize that an 8 week layoff or shuttling his horses around simply to appease his clients does NOT work in the attempt to win the Derby.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by philcski

Was that a lock or what??? The man has become a legend at winning the booby prize. He did the same thing last year after failing (Yes Yes Yes won the 11th and paid $18)

Let's see, he also won and ran second in the Oaks with two terrific fillies, 26 mil in purses and is on pace to shatter every training record, gets a new top client everyday. Yeah, what a bum!

[2 Dollar Bill]

Steve B. went off on this subject [ very well I thought ] on Mondays show.

If Todd belives in the ""system""... well he should also belive in..."" If it aint broke dont fix it ""... So his ""system"" has produced How many derby winners ?.... Maybe its time to fix the system ? Its funny that when he's with Johnny V. @ the spa... all his horses are going off @ 8-5... as they should be..since he wins... Maybe im from the old school and belive that todays horses dont run enought. If a horse needs a 8 week layoff.. Thats fine..but your going to send him to the KD ? The crime is the betting public who put hard earned $$'s on a horse that wasnt ready to run ? Belive Me I know NOTHING about training a horse, I know Todd does, but is it in the best interest of the horse & betting public ?

[Unstable]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

But he did win the maiden race after the Derby

I've got a question for you, Chuck.

NBC made a big deal about Pletcher saddling all 5 horses. Would his rushing through the saddling routines have any effect on the way his horses ran? Athough he did saddle the top 2 runners in the Oaks (and another, if I'm not mistaken), is there something to be said for concentrating on 1 horse, and helping settle it, before a big race? Do you think his horses (and owners) would have been better served if he had drawn lots and concentrated on 1 horse and have his assistants assigned to each of the other horses? Just curious.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Pletcher has something to look forward to. Cowtown Cat will be a lock in the Hawthorne Gold Cup. A good prep would be the St. Louis Derby at Fairmount.

Sorry but I believe there isn't going to be a St. Louis Derby this year.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Revidere

Let's see, he also won and ran second in the Oaks with two terrific fillies, 26 mil in purses and is on pace to shatter every training record, gets a new top client everyday. Yeah, what a bum!

But has he won the Kentucky Derby, the Preakness, the Belmont?
How's he done in the BC?

Oh yeah, that's right... 2 for a million with the best stock in the world.

If I'm his clients, who ARE the top owners in the game- I want the big prize, not the booby prize he's becoming a champion of.

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by philcski

But has he won the Kentucky Derby, the Preakness, the Belmont?
How's he done in the BC?

Oh yeah, that's right... 2 for a million with the best stock in the world.

If I'm his clients, who ARE the top owners in the game- I want the big prize, not the booby prize he's becoming a champion of.

Since when are races like the Oaks, the Florida Derby, The Haskell, Turf Classic, Beldame, and Champagne booby prizes? 90 + stakes races won last year. Sounds like you need someone to blame for your lousy selections.

One last question: Would you take a win in any one of those races?

Thanks for playing.

[Danzig]

altho it is indeed 'something' to win the oaks, there is nowhere (imo) near the pressure to win that race, as there is in the derby, preakness or belmont--or on bc day for that matter. he went 0-17 last winter on bc day. 0-5 last saturday, 1/4th the field, and not even in the MONEY.
it is baffling that pletcher wins so many graded races, but can't win the 'big ones'. but then again, maybe not so much.. tons of stock, and of course graded races from coast to coast, with fields that we generally feel are woefully inadequate for a graded race. strength in numbers i guess.

so yes, he wins grade ones, but there is still only ONE derby, one preakness, one belmont.

he'll win eventually, his seconds with bluegrass cat and invisible ink show promise.
but as he himself admitted, you have to win the big ones. as yet, he hasn't.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Revidere

Since when are races like the Oaks, the Florida Derby, The Haskell, Turf Classic, Beldame, and Champagne booby prizes? 90 + stakes races won last year. Sounds like you need someone to blame for your lousy selections.

One last question: Would you take a win in any one of those races?

Thanks for playing.

he's the dan marino of racing right now. but, unlike dan, he has time to change that. i think he will eventually.

Originally Posted by Revidere

Since when are races like the Oaks, the Florida Derby, The Haskell, Turf Classic, Beldame, and Champagne booby prizes? 90 + stakes races won last year. Sounds like you need someone to blame for your lousy selections.

One last question: Would you take a win in any one of those races?

Thanks for playing.

Which Pletcher assistant are you?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Revidere

Since when are races like the Oaks, the Florida Derby, The Haskell, Turf Classic, Beldame, and Champagne booby prizes? 90 + stakes races won last year. Sounds like you need someone to blame for your lousy selections.

One last question: Would you take a win in any one of those races?

Thanks for playing.

You just don't get it.

First of all, I was AT every single race you list here except the Florida Derby. To me, winning these events are great accomplishments. But if I'm say, Tabor, and I've got my best horseflesh with him and he absolutely blows my horse's chances of winning the KENTUCKY Derby (the race that REALLY counts, not the damn Louisiana Derby) by trying to do it "his way", I'd be pretty angry.

Why are you so bitter that I question his methods in approaching the "big events"? He's got the best stock in the world, has the best riders in the world, the best assistants in the world, and runs his barn like a MACHINE. I have the utmost respect for him. But his record in the Derby and BC is no longer a "to be completed" point, it's a complete disaster.

For your information, I didn't pick a single Pletcher horse in the Derby top 3, or in last year's BC for that matter, so it had nothing to do with winning or losing money on him.

[2 Dollar Bill]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I agree with a good deal of what you are saying, but honestly, if you bet CQ off a 8 week layoff in the Derby, you sort of have to blame yourself and not Todd. Let's remember he is at the mercy of his owners sometimes.

I didnt have any $$$ on CQ.... only AGS did put in my exacta's... but I do thank Todd for BlueGrass Cat last year and collected the $ 594.00 exacta with barbarbo.... He can win races, but I only wonder when these barns get sooooooo large, does the ""hands on "' training suffer ?

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Which Pletcher assistant are you?

Phil, he's the one that trained Pie O My...Go get your shine box