Clinton Portis

[Samarta]

Did anyone see the video of him talking about Michael Vick and the fact that if he wants to fight dogs on his own property it's his business and he didn't see anything wrong with it......I was a huge Portis fan until just now.....I bet Joe Gibbs is fuming.....what an idiot....I'm really pissed about that...

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Yes,it was a pretty sad thing to see.Guy(Portis) talked like dogs were fish or something.They say the unreported part of the interview is even worse than that.No,sir,ya can't commit a felony(even if it is your own property.)

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Yes,it was a pretty sad thing to see.Guy(Portis) talked like dogs were fish or something.They say the unreported part of the interview is even worse than that.No,sir,ya can't commit a felony(even if it is your own property.)

I read a little on this and a few points come to mind...first, Portis has shown both a lack of compassion and a lack of knowledge of the law; his remarks are sad indeed. Vick hasn't even been charged yet, there may or may not be evidence that he was involved in dog fighting so I won't comment regarding his guilt (or innocence). What I will say is that if he is subsequently convicted of what would be a felony, that would constitute the basis for a lifetime ban from the NFL imo. Portis has a right to his opinion but so do the fans, as a life-long Skins fan, I'd rather not have him or anyone who feels as he does on the team...I hope that message gets through to management. I've read some comments left at sites (ok, I've read a lot)...some folks agree with Portis, some are using this to make racial slurs, I find both mindsets offensive. For the record, I stand with my PETA friends on this one...everyone proven to be involved MUST do significant jail time

[ddthetide]

somer, portis Sounds 10 times worse, opposed to reading it. you really need to hear. portis and vick took a beating on espn radio yesterday.
vick needs jail time and the nfl needs to get rid him and the rest of the trash that's come into the league.

[Mortimer]

I think large dogs ought to start kidnapping stupid fb players and have stupid fb players fighting to death.

It's simple...if the dumb azzes don't see anyhting wrong with the dogs doing it......then they should have no problems this way either.


Oh pro sports is all about money and jackazzes who can't handle it.


Personally I think anyone who supports this madness with ticket and yuk'em up purchases is as nutty as most of them are.

[ninetoone]

Portis is a bozo...we should have kept Champ Bailey...

The Skins need to go back to these days badly...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsnXK6mjuH4

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by ninetoone

Portis is a bozo...we should have kept Champ Bailey...

The Skins need to go back to these days badly...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsnXK6mjuH4

I watched the interview with him and Samuels today, Samuels was mainly saying that Vick is entitled to the same treatment as anyone else (innocent until proven guilty) and I agree with that but then even he fell into the mindless trap of..."it's only cause he's famous" and "other people do worse things". Portis obviously thinks it's a big joke and his comments hinted that other NFL players perhaps even him are likewise involved in dog fighting. This is serious business for the NFL and I hope they have the guts to deal with it! My position will not change...anyone convicted of this horror should be banned for life from the NFL and jailed (two states don't consider it a felony, 48 do)...in any event, I don't want to see folks like this making money in the NFL to support their perversion!

[horseofcourse]

IN all honesty, I don't think it's all that bad. I don't agree with it, but lets get real, just as we may rip these guys to shreds, there are those who think horse racing is barbaric and cruel and in many ways it really is, yet we'll respond in ways that Portis is responding to dog fighting detractors. We drug these animals mercilessly, perhaps cruelly at times simply so we can bet on them. Many die needlessly for our enjoyment. And this is a whole lot different than dog fighting how?? If Portis grew up with dog fighting, I really can't criticize him that much for thinking as he does. I certainly enjoy horse racing , but I can't help thinking how cruel it is often. IF I take drugs it is my choice. These horses have no choice.

Let the ripping and shredding of me commence!!!

[Mortimer]

Oh I think you've done a fine job of that yourself.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by mortimerdexterfoxworthy

Oh I think you've done a fine job of that yourself.

OF course I'm right, I usually am.

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I watched the interview with him and Samuels today, Samuels was mainly saying that Vick is entitled to the same treatment as anyone else (innocent until proven guilty) and I agree with that but then even he fell into the mindless trap of..."it's only cause he's famous" and "other people do worse things". Portis obviously thinks it's a big joke and his comments hinted that other NFL players perhaps even him are likewise involved in dog fighting. This is serious business for the NFL and I hope they have the guts to deal with it! My position will not change...anyone convicted of this horror should be banned for life from the NFL and jailed (two states don't consider it a felony, 48 do)...in any event, I don't want to see folks like this making money in the NFL to support their perversion!

It's a good thing you aren't a lawmaker. My taxes would be over 80%. There would be 5 jails in every county.

Korea would be nuked. Oy vey.

[horseofcourse]

What did Portis do?? Say something stupid?? (of course none of us have ever done that..oh no.) Incredibly, I'm guessing some might even call my first post in this thread stupid...even mortimer who is quite possibly the most intelligent person ever placed on this planet (according to Garp.) Which may or may not be true. I don't know Clinton Portis from Adam, but he has every right to say what he did. Until Michael Vick is convicted of something, I really don't know what he did either.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

IN all honesty, I don't think it's all that bad. I don't agree with it, but lets get real, just as we may rip these guys to shreds, there are those who think horse racing is barbaric and cruel and in many ways it really is, yet we'll respond in ways that Portis is responding to dog fighting detractors. We drug these animals mercilessly, perhaps cruelly at times simply so we can bet on them. Many die needlessly for our enjoyment. And this is a whole lot different than dog fighting how?? If Portis grew up with dog fighting, I really can't criticize him that much for thinking as he does. I certainly enjoy horse racing , but I can't help thinking how cruel it is often. IF I take drugs it is my choice. These horses have no choice.

Let the ripping and shredding of me commence!!!

No ripping but I disagree. As a long time PETA member and someone who worked for years in horse rescue, I've seen the dark underbelly of racing...there are folks who should be banned from the sport as they don't give a damn about the welfare of the horses, I could spend days relating horror stories...that said, most folks in the sport love horses and really do care about them. I'm not talking about degenerate gamblers who only see a number and care only if they cash or not, but I worked on the backstretch, it's a tough life, dirty, long hours, little money...you only do it if you love horses! Anything that involves people has it's share of bad folk but, as a whole, I think people who work in racing with the horses are among the best people I've ever met. The object of racing isn't cruelty, it isn't torture, it isn't totally disregarding the preciousness of life...dog fighting, coc-k fighting, bull fights are all human perversion. They are in no way the same as racing. And...they are against the law. Portis and his like don't get that...I worked in the prisons for ten years, I heard it every day, "Other people do it, it isn't fair that I'm being punished" That is a morally bandrupt point of view...we all have free will, we make our own choices and we are each responsible for our actions. A dog isn't property, neither is a horse, chicken, cow or any animal...they are living beings and their lives are sacred. Man has dominion over the animals, we eat meat and use their hides but we have no right to torture them or kill them simply for enjoyment. It is a fact that kids who torture and kill animals often go on to exhibit extreme sociopathic behavior...an early warning sign of a budding serial killer is his/her killing of neighborhood pets. This isn't just some unimportant entertainment or cultural
issue...this is serious stuff!

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

It's a good thing you aren't a lawmaker. My taxes would be over 80%. There would be 5 jails in every county.

Korea would be nuked. Oy vey.

No, we could just let out all the folks serving time for non-violent crimes and drug use...there would be plenty of room. Bush has shown how well trying to impose our beliefs on other countries works...doubt that would happen.

Originally Posted by somerfrost

No, we could just let out all the folks serving time for non-violent crimes and drug use...there would be plenty of room. Bush has shown how well trying to impose our beliefs on other countries works...doubt that would happen.

So let out the Enron types and the coke dealers and put in the animal abusers and Kentucky Fried Chicken customers. Got it.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

What did Portis do?? Say something stupid?? (of course none of us have ever done that..oh no.) Incredibly, I'm guessing some might even call my first post in this thread stupid...even mortimer who is quite possibly the most intelligent person ever placed on this planet (according to Garp.) Which may or may not be true. I don't know Clinton Portis from Adam, but he has every right to say what he did. Until Michael Vick is convicted of something, I really don't know what he did either.

Portis has a right to express his beliefs and so do I...the fact that he doesn't "get it" is hardly unique, the more troubling issue is that he implies that dog fighting is wide-spread in the NFL and he even implied that he might be involved...that doesn't mean I'm saying he's guilty of anything but he's opened a door and someone has to see what's inside!

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

No ripping but I disagree. As a long time PETA member and someone who worked for years in horse rescue, I've seen the dark underbelly of racing...there are folks who should be banned from the sport as they don't give a damn about the welfare of the horses, I could spend days relating horror stories...that said, most folks in the sport love horses and really do care about them. I'm not talking about degenerate gamblers who only see a number and care only if they cash or not, but I worked on the backstretch, it's a tough life, dirty, long hours, little money...you only do it if you love horses! Anything that involves people has it's share of bad folk but, as a whole, I think people who work in racing with the horses are among the best people I've ever met. The object of racing isn't cruelty, it isn't torture, it isn't totally disregarding the preciousness of life...dog fighting, coc-k fighting, bull fights are all human perversion. They are in no way the same as racing. And...they are against the law. Portis and his like don't get that...I worked in the prisons for ten years, I heard it every day, "Other people do it, it isn't fair that I'm being punished" That is a morally bandrupt point of view...we all have free will, we make our own choices and we are each responsible for our actions. A dog isn't property, neither is a horse, chicken, cow or any animal...they are living beings and their lives are sacred. Man has dominion over the animals, we eat meat and use their hides but we have no right to torture them or kill them simply for enjoyment. It is a fact that kids who torture and kill animals often go on to exhibit extreme sociopathic behavior...an early warning sign of a budding serial killer is his/her killing of neighborhood pets. This isn't just some unimportant entertainment or cultural
issue...this is serious stuff!

My point about Portis is he isn't involved in it. He said something stupid. That is hardly high crimes and misdemeanors. Many race horses have in fact been killed for our enjoyment. Was it on purpose? no, of course not, but many have been killed for the express purpose of our enjoyment. Every cow and chicken is killed for the purpose of our enjoyment...period. That is if you consider eating enjoyable and I actually do which to me means they are killed for our enjoyment. Didn't our current president blow up frogs?? He's not a serial killer (alledgedly!)

I enjoy trying to defend the seemingly indefensible. It is a challenge.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

So let out the Enron types and the coke dealers and put in the animal abusers and Kentucky Fried Chicken customers. Got it.

Na, keep the corporate folks who ruined thousands of lives where they are but there are a lot of folks in jail for not paying support, DUI, possession of various drugs and petty theft that 99% of the time come out of jail in worse shape than they went in. I don't know if you have a background in corrections or not but I've been there and seen things for myself. Your gross out-of-context rewrites of what I say not withstanding, our entire correctional system needs serious overhaul...but right and wrong aren't determined by number of jail cells. In Va, the punishment for felony abuse of dog fighting is 5 years I believe...are you saying that law should be ignored?

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Na, keep the corporate folks who ruined thousands of lives where they are but there are a lot of folks in jail for not paying support, DUI, possession of various drugs and petty theft that 99% of the time come out of jail in worse shape than they went in. I don't know if you have a background in corrections or not but I've been there and seen things for myself. Your gross out-of-context rewrites of what I say not withstanding, our entire correctional system needs serious overhaul...but right and wrong aren't determined by number of jail cells. In Va, the punishment for felony abuse of dog fighting is 5 years I believe...are you saying that law should be ignored?

DUI is a far more serious crime than dog fighting and has definitely ruined more lives. If it's lessened as an offense then you're practically giving alchoholics the right to drive while intoxicated which will lead to more accidents and fatalities.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

My point about Portis is he isn't involved in it. He said something stupid. That is hardly high crimes and misdemeanors. Many race horses have in fact been killed for our enjoyment. Was it on purpose? no, of course not, but many have been killed for the express purpose of our enjoyment. Every cow and chicken is killed for the purpose of our enjoyment...period. That is if you consider eating enjoyable and I actually do which to me means they are killed for our enjoyment. Didn't our current president blow up frogs?? He's not a serial killer (alledgedly!)

I enjoy trying to defend the seemingly indefensible. It is a challenge.

I respect your efforts! Eating is sorta necessary and, by natural evolution, mankind is a carnivorous species, we may find it enjoyable but it is also necessary. Whether our current President is a serial killer or not depends on who you talk to (DTS would say yes) but clearly I'm not saying killing frogs constitutes serial killing...I merely stated the fact that many start with domestic animals before moving on to human prey...in fact, when we looked at backgrounds of sociopathic patients, we always started with whether there was animal abuse.