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07-05-2006, 08:36 PM
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Overated / Underated... the anti-HOY Awards (so far...)
Okay I'm just curious..... who do you all think is the single most overated horse so far this year?
Underated? The only rule is you may only give ONE name in each category. Who wants to go first? (..... and remember, no fighting in the sandbox kids!)  
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07-05-2006, 09:30 PM
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over? strong contender--hasn't beaten top shelf comp yet, only has excuses. yeah, he won the dwyer. WOOOOOW
under? barbaro. til after his derby win.
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#4
07-05-2006, 10:12 PM
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Here I go (and I'll pick horses that WILL fall apart but haven't yet and horses that WILL be underappreciated): Overrated: Lava Man (when he leaves the precious West Coast he is doomed) Underrated: Napa Cat figured I'd throw in a 2yo who nobody is talking about right now but one that has CRAZY ability...won't be underrated if he wins the Bashford Manor though... Nevermind on Napa Cat........he isn't even nominated to the Bashford Manor which means that Steve is either waiting for Saratoga or he got hurt....I'll find out...he has Chase City for the Bashford Manor who will be tough but Minefield will be the favorite and I think Run Alex Run will be a tough little horse to catch on the lead at a good price...Also, BErnie Flint has a maiden named Unbridled Express that will be a very live sleeper from off the pace if he chooses to run this one in the Bahford Manor instead of going into a maiden race...he is nominated at least... Last edited by Cunningham Racing : 07-05-2006 at 10:30 PM.
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#5
07-05-2006, 10:21 PM
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Hate to say it, but when I read the title the first name that came to mind for overrated was Lawyer Ron, and it pisses me off to say that because I have been touting him since January. As for underrated, I think Bernardini is better than the credit he receives (most likely due to the Barbaro injury).
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#6
07-05-2006, 10:24 PM
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#7
07-05-2006, 10:35 PM
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Underated: Sun King, Brass Hat (only as good as your last loss)
Overrated: Borrego
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#8
07-05-2006, 10:40 PM
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I almost chose Bernardini for under-rated because I think his stock will continue to go up. Its just that he is already held in pretty high regard off the Preakness win so his upside is not quite as great. OTOH, who knows how good he becomes.
Lava Man is not a bad prediction for over-rated since he is so highly regarded now and may find winning outside of CA very hard. He is one that my head tells me will crash and burn when he travels, but if he should pull it off I'd be thrilled as a fan.
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#9
07-05-2006, 10:50 PM
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Overrated: Brother Derek...I don't care how bad his trips were or whatever he had the most ideal trips out in So Cal in all 3 of his preps. Just have never liked him.
Underrated: Better Talk Now...Don't know if he is really underrated but he is like 100 years old now and still is extremely competetive. I really hope the UN is run because I love watching the old guy run.
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#10
07-05-2006, 10:51 PM
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Overrated--Flower Alley. Yeah, he won the Salvatore Mile receiving a Funny Cide-like Beyer. They talk like he is in the top 2 male handicap horses in the east. I need to see a lot more.
Cause to Believe. He stinks. Brass Hat. Chance to rise in the Foster. He stunk. Bob and John. He stinks. Underrated--Invasor. His two American races both top notch. Lava Man. I don't care about only in Cal. Grade 1's on both dirt and turf. don't see that often. That speaks for itself. Barbaro. Turf and dirt. See Lava Man. Showing Up. Turf and dirt. See two above. Steppenwolfer. He stinks and is slow, but he runs the exact same race exactly, every time out. There is something to be said for that. A good skill. Gorella. Excellent horse who competes with the top boys. Honey Ryder. Always runs well. Discreet Cat. Hasn't run yet, but destroyed Invasor in Dubai. Counts for something. Funny Cide. See Steppenwolfer comments. Just from the opposite end of the pack. And many thought he was done.
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07-05-2006, 10:55 PM
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I have always thought Brother Derek was overrated...good choice...
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#12
07-05-2006, 10:55 PM
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I didn't follow rules. Sorry.
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#13
07-06-2006, 12:39 AM
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Overrated - 1st Samurai
Underrated - Showing Up
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#14
07-06-2006, 08:57 AM
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Overrated: Flower Alley and Brother Derek
Underrated: Bushfire- she's been the best 3YO filly since the Tampa Oaks yet people were still discrediting her after the KY Oaks, when she was arguably the best, battling a fast pace and still running third, only to get passed by two deep closers. Last edited by JJP : 07-06-2006 at 09:23 AM.
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07-06-2006, 09:05 AM
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Overrated - Brother Derek and Lawyer Ron - it is a tie
Underrated - Jazil. Wins the Belmont and people forget about him.
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#16
07-06-2006, 09:25 AM
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overrated =artie shiller...top pick...2nd surf cat..if he cant close hes dead
3rd. battle won underrated cool conductor..top pick 2nd siver train 3rd butterface...lol
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#17
07-06-2006, 10:00 AM
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Overrated: Mayan King (by me)
Underrated: Mayan King (by everyone else)
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07-06-2006, 10:05 AM
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Overrated:
AP Warrior Point Determined Cause to Believe Bob and John Brother Derek outside of Cali Lava Man outside of Cali Underated-as of right now Lawyer Ron just because he had to have major surgery right after the Derby because he was injured. How quickly we forget. He still hasn't worked. This dude could run. I am still p i s s e d off at Holthus. He puts in one bad race which happens to be the toughest one in the world to win, has to have surgery after the race, and he is called overated. The horse had won a ton of stakes races before ever going into the Derby beating Steppenwolfer who finished third in the Derby every time. Sharp Humor-The forgotten horse. IF he makes it back to the track, I believe he is going to make some noise. Barbaro-He was going to be one of the best horses this world had ever seen yet few seem to acknowledge that fact. Bernardini-he gets some respect, but not nearly as much as he deserves. Seek the Gold is probably underrated as of right now. He put it all together in the Foster. He is one to watch. Last edited by kentuckyrosesinmay : 07-06-2006 at 10:07 AM.
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07-06-2006, 10:36 AM
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Underrated - BRASS HAT. He's been underrated all his life. So he had a below par effort in the Stephen Foster; horses who run their hearts out in Dubai often don't come back immediately - horses who are up the track, like Invasor, tend to bounce back more readily. This was the only time aside when he got hurt that Brassy has finished worse than second on the main track.
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#20
07-06-2006, 10:38 AM
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Underated..... Pride!
Why anyone would assume this girl couldn't run with Hurricane Run and Policy Maker (and their respective rabbits) is beyond me. One of the best in the world, this mare..... 1st in the Prix Foy (beating Alkaased and Shirocco), 2nd in the Hong Kong Vase (ahead of Alexander Goldrun, Alkaased, Maraahel and Russian Pearl to name a few), 2nd in the Emirates Airline Champion Stakes (again beating out Alkaased, Oratorio, Rakti and an endless list that reads like a Who's Who)..... a lovely girl who is just as good as Hurricane Run. Maybe now she'll get a little more respect. Overated..... keeping in mind my question encompassed the entire year to date? Rockport Harbor. Through no fault of his own, perhaps..... It didn't help matters being on a forum with a fan-turned-zealot who would track and report Rocky's every move, every breath, every bowel movement. Sweet enough posts, angry and long-winded posts, posts that made you want to run and find a knife and stab yourself repeatedly..... and they all, every one of them, ended with a GO ROCKY, GO! and a smiley face. Aaaarrrggghhh! The sanest among us had a Pavlovian reaction before long. And so this particular poster who acted like he was waiting for the second coming, well.... when it got to the point where I was waiting for a light at an intersection and began hallucinating a flashing go Rocky go on the red, yellow and green lights? That was the moment my amusement turned to loathing. Had quite enough of the now-retired Mr. Harbor to last the rest of my days, thank you very much. Others may come and others may go, but he wins my award hands down.
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