Nunthorpe Stakes

[my miss storm cat]

Wow, what a GREAT field!

That said, come on Red Clubs!


Thursday August 23 2007
York 15:10

Coolmore Nunthorpe Stakes (group 1)
£220000.00 added, 2yo plus, 5f, Class 1, £132278.00 penalty
18 runners
Going: Good, Good to Soft in places

No. Form Horse Age Wt Trainer Jockey OR NagMe Bet
1 (5) 235-100 Amadeus Wolf 41 4 9-11 K A Ryan N Callan
2 (3) 452010 Celtic Mill 21 9 9-11 D W Barker P Cosg
3 (16) 03-1225 Dandy Man (IRE) 41 4 9-11 Tracey Collins P Shanahan
4 (7) 510-360 Desert Lord 21 7 9-11 b K A Ryan D Holland
5 (1) 159601 Green Manalishi 18 6 9-11 K A Ryan R Hughes
6 (15) 234130 Magnus (AUS) 61 5 9-11 b Peter G Moody K McEvoy
7 (4) 322011 Moorhouse Lad 21 4 9-11 B Smart R L Moore
8 (2) 19-2843 Red Clubs (IRE) 41 4 9-11 B W Hills M Hills
9 (9) 5112-56 Reverence 27 6 9-11 E J Alston K Darley
10 (17) 584705 The Tatling (IRE) 5 10 9-11 J M Bradley K Ghuno
11 (8) 2-12191 Hoh Mike (IRE) 47 3 9-9 M L W Bell J P Spencer
12 (12) 12-5024 Wi Dud 21 3 9-9 K A Ryan T E Durcan
13 (6) 026150 Mecca's Mate 25 6 9-8 D W Barker T Hamilton
14 (10) 011158 Sierra Vista 47 7 9-8 D W Barker P Hanagan
15 (14) 17-3217 Beauty Is Truth (IRE) 65 3 9-6 b R Collet T Thulliez
16 (11) 03-1542 Enticing (IRE) 21 3 9-6 W J Haggas DOUBTFUL
17 (18) 303571 Theann 41 3 9-6 A P O'Brien J Murtagh
18 (13) 22 Kingsgate Native (IRE) 23 2 8-1 J R Best J Quinn

Betting Forecast: 3/1 Dandy Man (IRE), 6/1 Reverence, 7/1 Moorhouse Lad, 15/2 Magnus (AUS), 10/1 Red Clubs (IRE), 10/1 Hoh Mike (IRE), 12/1 Desert Lord, 12/1 Enticing (IRE), 14/1 Amadeus Wolf, 14/1 Kingsgate Native (IRE), 16/1 Wi Dud, 16/1 Beauty Is Truth (IRE), 20/1 Sierra Vista, 20/1 Theann, 33/1 Green Manalishi, 50/1 Celtic Mill, 50/1 Mecca's Mate, 66/1 The Tatling (IRE)

[NoChanceToDance]

Wow, i didn't realise Kingsgaite Native (a 2yo) was going to run in the Nunthorpe, a very strange decision.

I have a funny feeling that Hoh Mike is back to his best now, and i think he will be very difficult to beat actually. Sorry to Red Clubs (who will almost certainly run a good race again), but Hoh Mike looks to have his ideal conditions and this sort of race will suit him.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

Wow, i didn't realise Kingsgaite Native (a 2yo) was going to run in the Nunthorpe, a very strange decision.

I have a funny feeling that Hoh Mike is back to his best now, and i think he will be very difficult to beat actually. Sorry to Red Clubs (who will almost certainly run a good race again), but Hoh Mike looks to have his ideal conditions and this sort of race will suit him.

Two words.....

Jamie Spencer.

Oh yeah... forgot to say come home safe, The Tatling. I always worry about that one.....

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Two words.....

Jamie Spencer.

Oh yeah... forgot to say come home safe, The Tatling. I always worry about that one.....

Those two words are a BIG issue, but to be fair to him, he rode to brilliant races today (well, it's yesterday for me now) at York on Sir Gerry and Purple Moon.

I love The Tatling, too. My father looked after his half sister a few years ago. Daintree her name was.

[my miss storm cat]

He has his good days and I give him credit when it's due BUT I'm not seeing Hoh win here and especially with Jamie up.

Reverence, Magnus, Desert lord, Dandy Man, Amadeus Wolf.... those are the boys who will follow Red Clubs home.

I think Beauty is Truth will run a nice race.

Thanks for The Tatling story. Very nice. IF he wins I'll be thrilled but i really believe the day will belong to Mr. Clubs.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

Wow, i didn't realise Kingsgaite Native (a 2yo) was going to run in the Nunthorpe, a very strange decision.

He won.

York 15:10 - Result
Coolmore Nunthorpe Stakes (group 1)
£220000 added, 2yo plus, 5f, Class 1, £132278 penalty, 16 ran
Going: Good, Good to Firm in places

15:50 16:25 17:00 Pos. Dr. Dist. Horse Wt Jockey Trainer Age SP
1 13 Kingsgate Native (IRE) 8-1 J Quinn J R Best 2 12/1
opened 11/1 touched 10/1 £5000-£400
2 7 1¾ Desert Lord 9-11 D Holland K A Ryan 7 20/1

3 16 hd Dandy Man (IRE) 9-11 P Shanahan Tracey Collins 4 9/4 f
opened 5/2 touched 11/4 £11000-£4000 (x2) £5500-£2000 (x2) £7500-£3000 £2500-£1000 (x5) £4500-£2000 (x2)
4 2 ¾ Red Clubs (IRE) 9-11 M Hills B W Hills 4 7/1
opened 8/1 £8000-£1000 Each Way £5000-£600 Each Way £5000-£600 £2250-£300 Each Way
5 12 nk Wi Dud 9-9 T E Durcan K A Ryan 3 25/1
opened 33/1
6 8 s.h Hoh Mike (IRE) 9-9 J P Spencer M L W Bell 3 10/1
opened 9/1 touched 8/1 £4000-£400 Each Way
7 5 s.h Amadeus Wolf 9-11 N Callan K A Ryan 4 10/1
opened 12/1 £10000-£700 Each Way £5000-£400
8 10 ½ Sierra Vista 9-8 P Hanagan D W Barker 7 40/1
opened 33/1
9 15 hd Magnus (AUS) 9-11 K McEvoy Peter G Moody 5 6/1
touched 13/2 £6500-£1000 £3000-£450 (x2)
10 14 1 Beauty Is Truth (IRE) 9-6 T Thulliez R Collet 3 16/1
opened 14/1 £5000-£300 Each Way
11 4 ½ Moorhouse Lad 9-11 R L Moore B Smart 4 7/1
opened 8/1 £5000-£600
12 3 ¾ Celtic Mill 9-11 P Cosgrave D W Barker 9 100/1

13 1 1½ Green Manalishi 9-11 R Hughes K A Ryan 6 100/1
touched 80/1
14 6 3½ Mecca's Mate 9-8 T Hamilton D W Barker 6 100/1

15 17 1¾ The Tatling (IRE) 9-11 K Ghunowa J M Bradley 10 80/1

16 9 1¾ Reverence 9-11 K Darley E J Alston 6 14/1
£7000-£500 Each Way

Non-Runners
NR Enticing (IRE) 9-6 W J Haggas 3
NR Theann 9-6 J Murtagh A P O'Brien 3


Tote Win: £16.70 Tote Place: £4.90,£8.60,£1.70
Straight Forecast: £240.37 Exacta: £551.50 Trifecta: £4445.80

[NoChanceToDance]

Couldn't believe it....... fair play to his owners and trainer for running him though. The first 2yo to win the Nunthorpe since the brilliant Lyric Fantasy about 17 years ago!

I know he got a huge amount a weight because of his age, but that is some performance against the older horses.

Apparently Godolphin have made a £75 million bid for him (actually, i'm pretty sure he will be at Godolphin before long )

[NoChanceToDance]

Dandy Man is looking rather overrated now, i'm afraid to say. He had every chance today, and the ground looked quick enough for him.

[my miss storm cat]

How did Reverence look? Shocked to see he finished last...

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

How did Reverence look? Shocked to see he finished last...

Ground was against him today (he loves it really soft). If the Nunthorpe was run on the Tuesday he may have done better.

It was found after the race that Reverence had burst a bllod vessel. I hope this doesn't become regular for him, once they start to bleed in races, some of them never stop. His love for soft turf would rule out a move to America, too

[saratogabrit]

Props to Jimmy Quinn for landing a Group 1 victory

[my miss storm cat]

Racing Post.....


US date a possibility for Reverence (Yea!!!!!)

by David Lawrence


RACES in the US are being discussed byconnections of star sprinter Reverence now that veterinary tests have revealed the Eric Alston-trained six-year-old was not suffering from a virus when he bled in the Nunthorpe Stakes at York last week.

Reverence was examined by vets after coming homelast of 16 and, as no infection has come to light to explain the gelding's setback, Alston and owner Gary Middlebrook have to decide whether to race him again this year or put him away until next season.

Longchamp's Prix de l'Abbaye in October remains a possible target but, with that Group 1 only a month away, several later alternatives across the Atlantic are being considered for last year's Nunthorpe Stakes and Betfred Sprint Cup winner.

Alston said on Friday: "The vets have established there's no virus on Reverence, so now we've got to decide whether to put him away until next season, prepare him for the Prix de l'Abbaye or think about a race in America.
"In a way, we were hoping to discover some sort of infection, as that would have explained the bleeding, but there isn't any, so we'll have to put it down as a one-off, build him up again and hope there isn't a recurrence."

Alston added: "We've done all the tests we need to do now, so it's just a matter of making the decisionto rough him off or keep him going for another month or two.

"If we decide to aim for the Abbaye, we've got a month, and if we go to America, that gives us until November. We'll talk about it at the weekend and work from there but, in the end, the horse will be the one telling us what we really need to know."

Middlebrook said: "We haven't completely discounted the Abbaye, but I'd say it's unlikely, because it's not that far off and you wouldn't want to run a horse as good as Reverence too soon after having a problem.

"If he's okay to run again this season, and if we bypass the Abbaye, then there are five or six possible options for him in America, including a Grade 2 race on turf in November."

[NoChanceToDance]

That has made me quite sad actually. I know you like he, and would love to see him race in America, but if he did, i have a funny feeling that could be the end of him.

I doubt you will have seen many horses like him in America. The turf cannot be soft enough for him. You know when the turf gets really soft and they then change the races to the dirt? Well, even that wouldn't be soft enough for this fella'

Some horses are more ground dependant then others, and is probably the most dependant on soft ground as i have ever seen.

I had a feeling this would happen, as soon as he starts bleeding (like any horse) the plan changes to America so they can race on lasix and god knows what else.

It's a harsh reality, but if they raced him on firm ground (the type of firm in America) he would more than likely break down on it.

[my miss storm cat]

Okay the thing is, i didn't think of it in those terms.....

Read the piece and thought oh my God i'd LOVE to see him come here.

What else can i say? You're making me afraid for him.....

I really like this boy.

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Okay the thing is, i didn't think of it in those terms.....

Read the piece and thought oh my God i'd LOVE to see him come here.

What else can i say? You're making me afraid for him.....

I really like this boy.

I know, just like any racing fan you want to see one of your favs come and race in your country, everybody can understand that.

Maybe i'm going into too much detail..... but remember when i was telling you about horses with higher knee actions than others and they needed softer ground as they hit the ground much harder than the 'daisy cutters'?

Well, Reverence isn't a daisy cutter, and he loves to feel his hooves cut through the surface on soft ground, as he hits the surface much harder than other horses. One really firm ground you can imagine what damage it could cause to him if he was to hit the really firm ground you get in America, like he does with soft turf over here.

I hope that makes sense.

I'd love for you to see some of your FAVS, but that might mean coming over here to see anumber of the soft grouns horses.

Ofcourse, i might just be completely wrong, but this horse has shown how much he loves fast ground, therefore his connections haven't really risked him on firm..... but have they not risking him on firm for a reason? That is what worries me.

He started to bleed for no apparent reason, and the first word that comes out of a trainers mouth when a horse bleeds is usually "America"

[NoChanceToDance]

Although this might not please you, mmsc......... it's really good news to me (and the horse). It doesn't look like America is on the cards for Reverence anymore.


From RP......
by David Carr
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LAST year's Betfred Sprint Cup winner Reverence, denied the chance to bid for a repeat victory after breaking a blood vessel in the Nunthorpe Stakes, was on Monday announced back on course for a tilt at next month's Prix de l'Abbaye.

Tests carried out on the gelding since he trailed in last of 16 behind Kingsgate Native at York have shown no cause for the bleeding so he is being aimed at the Longchamp sprint, in which he finished a neck second to Desert Lord last season.

“He just bled,” said trainer Eric Alston. “There was no virus, no infection or anything like that.
“I am not sure if that is good or bad really - it would probably have been better if they had found something but now there is no explanation for it.

“He had never shown any sign of it before and we hope it is just a one-off - horses do sometimes have a one-off.

“He was in great order before York and he has been great since. It doesn't seem to have bothered him. He is only doing light work at the moment, mind, but we will step him up in ten days and we hope we can get him to Paris.”