Lies & Lying Liars that tell them

[Kasept]

There can be no sadder figure in the NY franchise scenario than hapless Jeff Perle... His parade of lies and mistatements from the start of the franchise battle have been laughable, and he tried to slip another past in Newsday:

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/na...ghtrail-flashy

When Spitzer took office on Jan. 1, "there was no part of New York State government that needed change more desperately than NYRA and racing. Not only were they indicted, but then they went bankrupt," said Jeffrey Perlee, chief executive of Empire Racing --

This above highlighted section is yet another of Perle's desperate, pathetic, multi-facetted lies.

1.) NYRA is NOT, never was, and never will be PART OF NEW YORK STATE GOVERNMENT. Perle has tried to perpetuate this fallacy in an attempt to goad the public into thinking that NYRA is beholden to them as a public trust of some kind. It isn't and wasn't...

2.) "When Spitzer took office on Jan. 1", the federal deferred prosecution indictment against NYRA had been dropped, with NYRA having satisfied the government's requirements for it to be dropped...

3.) NYRA's filing for protection was a clever defensive posture in their land claim with the state, and came only when NY Governor Geo. Pataki conspired to withhold a portion of the $30 million advance the state had agreed to give NYRA. That advance was necessitated by the Pataki administration's conspiratorial efforts to hold off construction of the Aqueduct slot parlor to guarantee their ability to crony in Pataki's own choice(s) for the franchise...

Sad and desperate... Jeff Perle.


Also joining in on the frivolity, Andrew Goodell of Capital Play:

Andrew Goodell of Capital Play, another of the companies bidding and one of whose partners helps run the Melbourne Cup, disagreed. "The difference between us and NYRA is our attendance numbers go up and theirs go down. Our revenue has doubled in the last five years, while NYRA has gone into bankruptcy," he said.

Whoa... hold on there, mate! There's a few differences between you and NY racing! Mr. Goodell fails to mention that Australia is blessed with one (1).. count it, one, OTB/tote company.. the government's TAB. Let's see Capital Play's revenue stream after they grapple with NY's odious OTB corporations that have had a stranglehold on NYRA's profitability opportunity for 30 years..

And Jeff and Andy... one more thing. NYRA's a non-profit corporation... You ain't, are you? BOTH these entities that are telling us how much they're going to do for NY racing keep failing to tell you how... INCREASED TAKEOUT.. And INCREASED ADMISSION/TICKET PRICES.. There's a formula that will raise all boats, eh?

Thanks for the giggles boys.. I have a suggestion though. Call Magna Entertainment in Toronto. They have some racetracks that you might be interested in!

[johnny pinwheel]

i couldn't agree with you more. the only reason these people want nyra out is theres something in it for them. we will be at the mercy of some corporate set up that answers to stockholders. does anyone really think as bettors we will get more value.

[KY_Sasquash]

Originally Posted by Kasept

There can be no sadder figure in the NY franchise scenario than hapless Jeff Perle... His parade of lies and mistatements from the start of the franchise battle have been laughable, and he tried to slip another past in Newsday:

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/na...ghtrail-flashy

When Spitzer took office on Jan. 1, "there was no part of New York State government that needed change more desperately than NYRA and racing. Not only were they indicted, but then they went bankrupt," said Jeffrey Perlee, chief executive of Empire Racing --

This above highlighted section is yet another of Perle's desperate, pathetic, multi-facetted lies.

1.) NYRA is NOT, never was, and never will be PART OF NEW YORK STATE GOVERNMENT. Perle has tried to perpetuate this fallacy in an attempt to goad the public into thinking that NYRA is beholden to them as a public trust of some kind. It isn't and wasn't...

2.) "When Spitzer took office on Jan. 1", the federal deferred prosecution indictment against NYRA had been dropped, with NYRA having satisfied the government's requirements for it to be dropped...

3.) NYRA's filing for protection was a clever defensive posture in their land claim with the state, and came only when NY Governor Geo. Pataki conspired to withhold a portion of the $30 million advance the state had agreed to give NYRA. That advance was necessitated by the Pataki administration's conspiratorial efforts to hold off construction of the Aqueduct slot parlor to guarantee their ability to crony in Pataki's own choice(s) for the franchise...

Sad and desperate... Jeff Perle.


Also joining in on the frivolity, Andrew Goodell of Capital Play:

Andrew Goodell of Capital Play, another of the companies bidding and one of whose partners helps run the Melbourne Cup, disagreed. "The difference between us and NYRA is our attendance numbers go up and theirs go down. Our revenue has doubled in the last five years, while NYRA has gone into bankruptcy," he said.

Whoa... hold on there, mate! There's a few differences between you and NY racing! Mr. Goodell fails to mention that Australia is blessed with one (1).. count it, one, OTB/tote company.. the government's TAB. Let's see Capital Play's revenue stream after they grapple with NY's odious OTB corporations that have had a stranglehold on NYRA's profitability opportunity for 30 years..

And Jeff and Andy... one more thing. NYRA's a non-profit corporation... You ain't, are you? BOTH these entities that are telling us how much they're going to do for NY racing keep failing to tell you how... INCREASED TAKEOUT.. And INCREASED ADMISSION/TICKET PRICES.. There's a formula that will raise all boats, eh?

Thanks for the giggles boys.. I have a suggestion though. Call Magna Entertainment in Toronto. They have some racetracks that you might be interested in!

I love it Steve! Get after them!

[ShadowRoll]

Although it's not a quick or convenient trip for me to NY, I've visited Aqueduct and Saratoga, and have been to Belmont many times, and almost always (Smarty's Belmont was a bit too crowded for my taste) had a good experience.

As to who is the most bettor-friendly, the proof is in the pudding. Lowest takeout on the east coast, and the NYRA has held the line on admission pricing, even for the big days like Belmont Day and when they hosted the Breeders Cup. This point was painfully brought home to me this year when I shelled out for a couple of tickets to see the BC at Monmouth.

At least as far as the bottom line for us common folk, I've got to believe that any other entity running the NY tracks will be bad news.

[sumitas]

This article from bloodhorse lays out the financial woes of Magna. Doesn't seem this company, a part of Empire, should qualify to run any part of NY racing based on their performance. And as a result, Empire as a whole should be dismissed. This has gotten political real quick since Gov. Sptizer set out his blue print for NYRA to continue to run NY racing.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/articleind...e.asp?id=40771

I wonder how much money has been spent by the various bidders trying to "influence" Albany lawmakers. I'd like to see the Gov. of NYS continue to lead this process, not some of the political hacks in the NYS Senate.

Sounds like the original poster has some connections to NYRA?

Defend them all you want but the facts are that NYRA went bankrupt and NYRA has been indicted.

As a writer, which you are, you need to learn how to read words correctly.

Perhaps you should take out a dictionary and learn the meaning of the words WERE and WENT.

Pretty sloppy calling somebody a Liar when what they are stating is 100% factually correct. The only error is saying that NYRA is part of the government. And that isn't lying, that is just incompetence. So maybe he doesn't qualify to be running racing in NY, but his incompetence does make me think he would make a good member of the NYRA gate crew. LOL

Please stick to facts and stop with the cheerleading.

Perhaps you have an interest in seeing NYRA keep the franchise?

[sumitas]

The Gov has cited NYRA as the new franchise holder. Why should hacks be allowed to alter that ? How much money has Bruno's son been paid to lobby for Empire ?

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

Sounds like the original poster has some connections to NYRA?

Defend them all you want but the facts are that NYRA went bankrupt and NYRA has been indicted.

As a writer, which you are, you need to learn how to read words correctly.

Perhaps you should take out a dictionary and learn the meaning of the words WERE and WENT.

Pretty sloppy calling somebody a Liar when what they are stating is 100% factually correct. The only error is saying that NYRA is part of the government. And that isn't lying, that is just incompetence. So maybe he doesn't qualify to be running racing in NY, but his incompetence does make me think he would make a good member of the NYRA gate crew. LOL

Please stick to facts and stop with the cheerleading.

Perhaps you have an interest in seeing NYRA keep the franchise?

And do you THINK that these slot driven groups can do any better with the "on track" race product? I THINK NOT! I just "so called" horseplayers that think these groups can think anyone can do better than NYRA. New York racing is the BEST in the country.....why "F" with! Facts are NYRA has straighten up thier act, I want GOOD racing and can less about the VLTS. Trouble is...you guys believe everything you see in print. Do me a favor...DON'T PLAY if it's that troubling to you!

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

Please stick to facts and stop with the cheerleading.

Perhaps you have an interest in seeing NYRA keep the franchise?

I do have an interest in seeing NYRA keep the franchise and I make no apologies about doing so.. In addition, I don't want take out increased as Capital Play and Empire BOTH outlined in their proposals to the state as part of their 'innovative' approaches.

And as a side note, until some else pays the bills at this website, I'll cheerlead all I want..

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I do have an interest in seeing NYRA keep the franchise and I make no apologies about doing so.. In addition, I don't want take out increased as Capital Play and Empire BOTH outlined in their proposals to the state as part of their 'innovative' approaches.

And as a side note, until some else pays the bills at this website, I'll cheerlead all I want..

Go Steve! Just wonder what these people think how much better it would be with these groups who know NOTHING about thoroughbred racing running racing in the Empire State.

[theiman]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I do have an interest in seeing NYRA keep the franchise and I make no apologies about doing so.. In addition, I don't want take out increased as Capital Play and Empire BOTH outlined in their proposals to the state as part of their 'innovative' approaches.

And as a side note, until some else pays the bills at this website, I'll cheerlead all I want..

The title of this topic is: Lies & Lying Liars that tell them

Please explain to me what was the lie that Mr. Goodell stated in your first post.

Also joining in on the frivolity, Andrew Goodell of Capital Play:

Andrew Goodell of Capital Play, another of the companies bidding and one of whose partners helps run the Melbourne Cup, disagreed. "The difference between us and NYRA is our attendance numbers go up and theirs go down. Our revenue has doubled in the last five years, while NYRA has gone into bankruptcy," he said.


I cant argue with you on Mr. Perle's statement.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by theiman

The title of this topic is: Lies & Lying Liars that tell them

Please explain to me what was the lie that Mr. Goodell stated in your first post.

Also joining in on the frivolity, Andrew Goodell of Capital Play:

[b]Andrew Goodell of Capital Play, another of the companies bidding and one of whose partners helps run the Melbourne Cup, disagreed. "The difference between us and NYRA is our attendance numbers go up and theirs go down. Our revenue has doubled in the last five years, while NYRA has gone into bankruptcy," he said.


I cant argue with you on Mr. Perle's statement.

And do they race year round in Australia ? I think the Saratoga numbers have been pretty good the last 20 years.

Meanwhile, racing in your state has been booming

[fpsoxfan]

I can't believe Australian Racing and New York Racing are even being mentioned in the same topic. I can't say I've ever bet on a f'ing Kangaroo before. Ask ole Perlee how much money he's pumped into Bruno's pockets.
Joe Bruno is a freaking crook and that's why this thing is being held up. And guess what BENEVELOUS?? Who gives a rats ass about what you have to say about his topic to begin with.

[theiman]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

And do they race year round in Australia ? I think the Saratoga numbers have been pretty good the last 20 years.

Meanwhile, racing in your state has been booming

Saratoga is a 6 week meet. The other 46 weeks make up NYRA too.

They do have racing year round in Australia? yes.

As for my state having problems, yes California does have problems but that is not the topic on hand, and not my question to Kasept.

By the way, the 7500 who came out this past weekend to see RTR was not something I would be proud of if I were in charge of NYRA.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by theiman

Saratoga is a 6 week meet. The other 46 weeks make up NYRA too.

They do have racing year round in Australia? yes.

As for my state having problems, yes California does have problems but that is not the topic on hand, and not my question to Kasept.

By the way, the 7500 who came out this past weekend to see RTR was not something I would be proud of if I were in charge of NYRA.

And will these two other groups make things better at N.Y. tracks??? Or is thier main objective to get the state more money through VLTS...what do they know about running a thoroughbred meet...in this country?

[pgiaco]

Just for the record...NYRA was indicted for looking the other way when TELLERS (not NYRA management) were shorting their tills and taking "loans". While I will never condone the behavior of Kenny Noe, Barry Schwartz or Terry Meycocks nothing they did would have brought the wrath of the Avenging AG Eliot Spitzer upon them were he not running for governor. NYRA became a very easy target for everyone to pile on. Charlie Hayward and Steve Duncker have done a tremendous job righting the ship.

As for being bankruptcy....Steve points out that that was engineered by NYRA to bring about a quick ruling on the land ownership issue. It is my opinion that if they did not do this the political wrangling would still be going on. Also mention that the Lottery Divisions refusal to sign off on the VLTs caused a tremendous financial hardship on NYRA.

While I'm venting I'd like to mention that Jeff Perle and Richard Bomze make me want to puke. They are both one very unfunny joke that "represents" NY horsemen. hahaha

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

And will these two other groups make things better at N.Y. tracks??? Or is thier main objective to get the state more money through VLTS...what do they know about running a thoroughbred meet...in this country?

I'm not sure, Hoff. I do know that major improvements in customer service need to be made throughout the industry in order for it to survive. It just boggles the mind how free admission and parking seems to be a cuss word to track management. Simple changes like that would make a world of difference in bringing fans back to the track.

[theiman]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

And will these two other groups make things better at N.Y. tracks??? Or is thier main objective to get the state more money through VLTS...what do they know about running a thoroughbred meet...in this country?

Magna
I guess the results for Remington 2006 and SA 2007 dont count?

CD
Arlington just released plus numbers for 2007


As for NYRA--a Chimp could run Saratoga and do great. What exactly do they do the other 46 weeks that everyone loves them?

But again, that is off topic and off from my question.

[Cannon Shell]

While NYRA has had it's share of issues over the years anyone who thinks that Empire , Capital Play, or Excelsior would be a move in the right direction just has no real grasp of the situation. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion but it is hard for me to see how anyone other than NYRA being in charge of NY racing would be a positive move for the racing fan or bettor. The only reason that those other operations are interested in the franchise is the VLT's and they pretty much make no bones about it. While NYRA's customer service and employees have traditionally been a sore subject, they are hamstrung by many obscure state laws that prohibit them from offering free anything and have made an effort to improve customer relations.

As for the bankruptcy, if you have flown on a major US carrier in the last 20 years or so there is a good chance your life was held in the balance by a company that had declared some form of bankruptcy.

Magna is a failing company and Churchill is downsizing. Excelsior has changed partners more often than Magna presidents resign. Capital Play wants to erect a fence around Saratoga. Great alternatives.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I do have an interest in seeing NYRA keep the franchise and I make no apologies about doing so.. In addition, I don't want take out increased as Capital Play and Empire BOTH outlined in their proposals to the state as part of their 'innovative' approaches.

And as a side note, until some else pays the bills at this website, I'll cheerlead all I want..