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12-18-2007, 03:11 PM
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I'm sure this has been gone over before but just watching a few races on Youtube reminded me of something; Dinard would have been the 1991 Kentucky Derby winner had he not been injured and pulled from the race. This got me to wondering which other horses should have made the list of Derby winners but didn't make the race. Who are the others that people think would have won it had they made it. I don't want horses that made it and had bad luck and lost.
Dinard Event of the Year King Glorious Java Gold Dehere
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12-18-2007, 04:06 PM
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12-18-2007, 04:26 PM
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12-18-2007, 04:47 PM
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i think unbridled's song would have won if he did not have a quarter crack, bar shoe's and the 20th gate position.
i mean grindstone and cavonieer, come on!
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12-18-2007, 04:50 PM
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12-18-2007, 04:54 PM
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The real horses of the year (1986-2020) Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine
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12-18-2007, 05:08 PM
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how about rags to riches.. she could have won.
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12-18-2007, 04:23 PM
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ap indy and dinard are no brainers in my estimation.
Grand canyon. swear, a truly magnificent 2yo that died before turning 3. he was in the snow chief crop i believe. perhaps red ransom as a real longshot here. saratoga six too i vehemently disagree with event of the year
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12-18-2007, 04:26 PM
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12-19-2007, 02:21 AM
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12-19-2007, 07:57 AM
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Widely acknowledged at Calumet as the best horse they ever bred.. including Citation. Set a 9f FL Derby stakes (and track) record that stood for 40+ years.. Split 4 decisions with Bold Ruler and would have gone off favored in the famed '57 Derby but scratched with a hoof bruise Friday. Developed the wobbles at 4 and had to be put down. One of the greatest tragedies in racing history. 
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12-19-2007, 04:23 PM
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Curlin and Hard Spun finish 1,2 in the 2007 BC Classic, demonstrating how competing in all three Triple Crown races ruins a horse for the rest of the year...see avatar photo from REUTERS/Lucas Jackson
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12-21-2007, 10:07 AM
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12-21-2007, 10:34 AM
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AP Indy is the one that seems obvious from the last 20 years or so.
How about Silverbulletday? I think she was faster than that crop of colts in the spring of 1999, and she dominated the Oaks in a faster 9f than the boys ran the next day.
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12-21-2007, 09:11 PM
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12-22-2007, 08:34 AM
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12-18-2007, 03:21 PM
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Dehere would have had trouble running down the loose speed. His only decent effort going two turns was in the Fountain of Youth which was orchestrated by a crazy speed duel involving Holy Bull ( who actually did flip his palate ) and, I think, Ride the Rails. He may well have been essentially a closing sprinter.
As for Java Gold, I'm a huge fan, but it's not as though Alysheba and Bet Twice were slouches. While he obviously hammered them in the Travers, the track was a quagmire that day, and it's fair to say they didn't run their races. Considering the kind of horse Alysheba proved to be it's a little unfair to just assume Java Gold was better. The horse that sticks out IMO is AP Indy who was scratched with a foot problem very close to the race.
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12-18-2007, 03:59 PM
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The real horses of the year (1986-2020) Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine
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