Tell Churchill Downs You Want Dime Supers!

[Monarchos1]

If you're as unhappy as I am that Churchill Downs is refusing to offer bettors dime supers on Derby and Oaks days, please send an email to President Steve Sexton at ssexton@kyderby.com and GM Jim Gates at jimg@kyderby.com. It will be intersting to see if anyone gets a response.

[ateamstupid]

Meh.

I'm not happy about it, but I can see why they're doing it.

Similar to what Andy said before, I think it would be fine if they allowed them everywhere but on track. I guess you'd get people at the Derby bitching about that though.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Meh.

I'm not happy about it, but I can see why they're doing it.

Similar to what Andy said before, I think it would be fine if they allowed them everywhere but on track. I guess you'd get people at the Derby bitching about that though.

I an still not sure that wagering on CD will be allowed by all the AWD this spring. The dime Supers screw up more last minutes at the window on track everywhere that I am not sure this is what every race fan is interested in seeing this addressed

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by docicu3

I an still not sure that wagering on CD will be allowed by all the AWD this spring. The dime Supers screw up more last minutes at the window on track everywhere that I am not sure this is what every race fan is interested in seeing this addressed

It's an unequivocally great online bet and on most days it wouldn't be a problem ontrack either.

[Monarchos1]

I really don't believe that the 125,000 or so Kentucky Derby attendees who will likely witness only that one race all year are going to be storming the windows to wager on dime supers. It's a complicated bet for newbies in any denomination and I cannot, in my wildest dreams, imagine that novices will try it just because it is available for 10 cents. As far as regular horseplayers, the super isn't for everybody and I don't think those types will change their wagering habits just for this.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Monarchos1

I really don't believe that the 125,000 or so Kentucky Derby attendees who will likely witness only that one race all year are going to be storming the windows to wager on dime supers.

Why wouldn't they? It's the perfect bet for a novice. Cheap, a long shot to hit, but with a potentially large payout.

Originally Posted by Monarchos1

It's a complicated bet for newbies in any denomination and I cannot, in my wildest dreams, imagine that novices will try it just because it is available for 10 cents.

The fact that it's complicated wouldn't preclude newbies from trying to bet it. Have you ever been in a betting line at the Derby? It's Japanese Water Torture without the cool refreshment.

Originally Posted by Monarchos1

As far as regular horseplayers, the super isn't for everybody and I don't think those types will change their wagering habits just for this.

Can't speak for everyone, but I wager fairly often and hardly ever play superfectas, but the dime super is intriguing to me, and is something I'd definitely be playing on Derby day.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Can't speak for everyone, but I wager fairly often and hardly ever play superfectas, but the dime super is intriguing to me, and is something I'd definitely be playing on Derby day.

Exactly. I don't play superfectas.. or dime supers very often either. But when the $1 super payoff can be 40K in the derby(creating a 4k payoff for a dime), I'm more interested... or at least I was.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

Exactly. I don't play superfectas.. or dime supers very often either. But when the $1 super payoff can be 40K in the derby(creating a 4k payoff for a dime), I'm more interested... or at least I was.

i made the mistake of thinking dime supers always pay a 10th of the payout for the $1 super. not so. we were at arlington, the super paid over 3k, so i figured hey, 300-or so bucks. paid $14 for the dime.
i've never played one again.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i made the mistake of thinking dime supers always pay a 10th of the payout for the $1 super. not so. we were at arlington, the super paid over 3k, so i figured hey, 300-or so bucks. paid $14 for the dime.
i've never played one again.

How did that happen?

[Danzig]

because i'd imagine the pool that hit the dime super was filled by a lot more players than those that paid for the dollar bet. only thing i can figure. i have no idea.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

because i'd imagine the pool that hit the dime super was filled by a lot more players than those that paid for the dollar bet. only thing i can figure. i have no idea.

I guess I've always assumed it's all put into the same pool... at least, any dime super I've ever hit (which isn't that many)... has always paid 1/10th of what the $1 payout was. Maybe they do things differently at Arlington.

[Danzig]

yeah, i figured that they did. so i was none too thrilled to get the payout.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, i figured that they did. so i was none too thrilled to get the payout.

I totally understand.. I'd be pretty peeved too.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Monarchos1

If you're as unhappy as I am that Churchill Downs is refusing to offer bettors dime supers on Derby and Oaks days, please send an email to President Steve Sexton at ssexton@kyderby.com and GM Jim Gates at jimg@kyderby.com. It will be intersting to see if anyone gets a response.

I sent an e-mail to both of them letting them know that I think the dime-super is stupid, and I thanked them both for NOT offering the wager.

[jballscalls]

I dont know why, but i hate dime supers!! and i dont even play them. I just wanna strangle the guy in front of me at the machine, when there is a minute to post, and he's constructing a 2.40 ticket, and he's not prepared as it is, looking at his form at the machine!! arggggh ok i'm done

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by docicu3

The dime Supers screw up more last minutes at the window on track everywhere that I am not sure this is what every race fan is interested in seeing this addressed

Tampa only allows people to wager on dime supers at the self serve teller machines. The newbies trying to figure out the machine and the wager severely clogged the lines during big days. It forced me to go old school and place many of my wagers with actual tellers. I hadn't used a teller in years...

The complexity of the bet does not scare many off and I can see the drunken masses trying to hit the jackpot with their last $1.80 at 5:45pm next Saturday. That hour between the Woodford and the Derby will not be enough time to get a bet in, it barely is now.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i made the mistake of thinking dime supers always pay a 10th of the payout for the $1 super. not so. we were at arlington, the super paid over 3k, so i figured hey, 300-or so bucks. paid $14 for the dime.
i've never played one again.

something is wrong with this, i have never seen this happen. its always 1/10th of the dollar payout.

[Travis Stone]

Dime supers actually hurt overall handle believe it or not. It detracts from the overall pools. For example, if someone decides to bet $50 on a race at your track, they'll bet $50. But, if dime supers are available, they might only bet $30 (because they can bet for cheaper) and they spend the $20 on other racetracks.

In a big race like the Derby, I don't disagree with them not allowing 10-cent supers, with so much money being handled.

[booner]

I can understand them not wanting to offer dime supers at the track on Derby Day. I would hate to be a teller constantly handing out the extra $.60 all day long.

I don't see any reason why they couldn't be offered through ADW's.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Dime supers actually hurt overall handle believe it or not. It detracts from the overall pools. For example, if someone decides to bet $50 on a race at your track, they'll bet $50. But, if dime supers are available, they might only bet $30 (because they can bet for cheaper) and they spend the $20 on other racetracks.
In a big race like the Derby, I don't disagree with them not allowing 10-cent supers, with so much money being handled.

or they could spend the $20 on dime supers in the next race at YOUR track.

what is to say that if your track didn't have the dime super that the bettor wouldn't have bet the entire $50 at other tracks?