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Old 10-14-2008, 06:53 AM
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Default 10/25 (BC): Juvenile; Juvenile Turf (Final)

5th (12:55) Bessemer Trust Breeders' Cup Juvenile (G1)

1 1/16 Miles (All Weather Track) | Open | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $2,000,000

1 Munnings Velazquez J R 122 L
2 Gallant Son Mawing L A 122 L
3 Terrain Theriot H J II 122 L
4 Square Eddie Bejarano R 122 L
5 Azul Leon Rosario J 122 L
6 Silent Valor Prado E S 122 L
7 Elusive Bluff Baze M C 122 L
8 Street Hero Solis A 122 L
9 Mine That Bird Sutherland C 122 L
10 Pioneerof the Nile Albarado R J 122 L
11 Midshipman Gomez G K 122 L
12 Bushranger (IRE) Murtagh J P 122
13 West Side Bernie Elliott S 122 L



6th (1:35) Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Ninth Client Leparoux J R 122 L
2 City Style McNeil T 122 L
3 Westphalia (IRE) Murtagh J P 122
4 Donativum (GB) Dettori L 122
5 Relatively Ready Velasquez C 122 L
6 Vaquero Desormeaux K J 122 L
7 Coronet of a Baron Garcia Alan 122 L
8 Paddy The Pro (IRE) Gomez G K 122 FTL
9 Orthodox Court J K 122 L
10 Skipadate Bridgmohan S X 122 Blk-On L
11 Bittel Road Velazquez J R 122 L
12 Grand Adventure Bejarano R 122 L
AE Mark S the Cooler Dettori L 122 Blk-On L
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Old 10-14-2008, 10:40 AM
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What's up with the (!) by West Side Bernie? Swaami angle since the race is in Cali??

As for Juvy turf, you can cross Night Action off that list. He hasnt worked since his win in the Cradle.
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Old 10-14-2008, 10:50 AM
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What's up with the (!) by West Side Bernie? Swaami angle since the race is in Cali??

As for Juvy turf, you can cross Night Action off that list. He hasnt worked since his win in the Cradle.
I was thinking the same thing, might be that someone from DT is involved with the horse
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Old 10-14-2008, 08:04 PM
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There were 19 entered in The juvie turf. I know this as we have 1 of the 19 entered. they only run 12 I think we should Get in but what do I know.
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Old 10-15-2008, 11:08 AM
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I didn't see Jose Addan on the list for the Juvie. Even with the DQ and the fact that he didn't beat all that much, his move in the stretch was ultra-impressive.

Is he a no-go? I think if he does run he'd be a decent price.
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Old 10-17-2008, 02:04 PM
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Juvenile

Midshipman – Baffert
Street Hero – Cho
Believe in Hope – Ellis
Square Eddie – O’Neill
Azul Leon – O’Neill
Coronet of a Baron – Harty (1)
Terrain – Stall
West Side Bernie – Breen
Pioneer Ofthe Nile – Mott
Silent Valor – Pletcher
Munnings – Pletcher
Mine That Bird – Mandella (1)
Elusive Bluff -Guillot (1)
Bushranger - Wachman

Also Eligible (in order of preference)

Gallant Son - Lucarelli (1)
Forty Thieves
wonder if any of these find the starters gate in MAY
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Old 10-17-2008, 02:14 PM
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I'm guessing 1 1/16 miles is already pushing the limit for Munnings.
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Old 10-17-2008, 08:49 PM
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What happened to Azul Leon in his last?
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Old 10-19-2008, 02:35 AM
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What happened to Azul Leon in his last?
Found out the father on his birth certificate? LOL........ I thought he would win that race, but he did nothing. 2 post didn't help. Should of run better. Probably wants one turn (like pops preferred.) O'neill said he was maybe gunna be better than Stevie Wonderboy. Maybe Stevie going 1 turn.

O'Neill remains high on Azul Leon, winner of the Hollywood Juvenile and Best Pal Stakes - the latter via disqualification - and plans to run both in the Breeders' Cup.

Juve is a tough race. T BAZE adores Midshipman. Street HERO is a bit dopey, but talented(has one of the prime synthetic sires, too.) To answer your question, I haven't heard an excuse yet(just read he still likes the horse's chances.)

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Old 10-19-2008, 11:49 PM
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AZUL LEON and SILENT VALOR (both by Lion Heart)........With a winning average distance of his offspring at 5.5 furlongs and just one winner from nearly 20 starters at a mile or farther, it is looking as if Lion Heart's offspring have distance limitations. Because he is a nice horse, and Oneil compared him to Stevie Wonderboy, I can't rule Azul Leon out, but he has a lot to prove(as far as going 2 turns.)
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Old 10-20-2008, 10:17 AM
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Has anyone noticed how ordinary Pletcher's stats have been this year? There have also been alot of "previously trained by Todd Pletcher" lines I have been noticing in the form of late. I think it's very odd, the guy is obviously bright and couldn't do no wrong just until very recently.

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Old 10-20-2008, 11:01 PM
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Bushranger may be fine at 8.5furlongs synthetic over here


10/21 - Square Eddie reminds me a little bit of curlin the way looks and his stride - think he might be over-bet, but he looks solid

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Old 10-21-2008, 10:22 PM
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5th (12:55) Bessemer Trust Breeders' Cup Juvenile (G1)

1 1/16 Miles (All Weather Track) | Open | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $2,000,000

1 Munnings Velazquez J R 122 L
2 Gallant Son Mawing L A 122 L
3 Terrain Theriot H J II 122 L
4 Square Eddie Bejarano R 122 L
5 Azul Leon Rosario J 122 L
6 Silent Valor Prado E S 122 L
7 Elusive Bluff Baze M C 122 L
8 Street Hero Solis A 122 L
9 Mine That Bird Sutherland C 122 L
10 Pioneerof the Nile Albarado R J 122 L
11 Midshipman Gomez G K 122 L
12 Bushranger (IRE) Murtagh J P 122
13 West Side Bernie Elliott S 122 L



6th (1:35) Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Ninth Client Leparoux J R 122 L
2 City Style McNeil T 122 L
3 Westphalia (IRE) Murtagh J P 122
4 Donativum (GB) Dettori L 122
5 Relatively Ready Velasquez C 122 L
6 Vaquero Desormeaux K J 122 L
7 Coronet of a Baron Garcia Alan 122 L
8 Paddy The Pro (IRE) Gomez G K 122 FTL
9 Orthodox Court J K 122 L
10 Skipadate Bridgmohan S X 122 Blk-On L
11 Bittel Road Velazquez J R 122 L
12 Grand Adventure Bejarano R 122 L
AE Mark S the Cooler Dettori L 122 Blk-On L
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:34 PM
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Donativum vs. Bittel Road

A battle of the giants.


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Old 10-22-2008, 07:11 AM
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Donativum vs. Bittel Road

A battle of the giants.


Just curious Coach what do you like so much about Donativum to call him a giant
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Old 10-22-2008, 11:25 AM
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AZUL LEON and SILENT VALOR (both by Lion Heart)........With a winning average distance of his offspring at 5.5 furlongs and just one winner from nearly 20 starters at a mile or farther, it is looking as if Lion Heart's offspring have distance limitations. Because he is a nice horse, and Oneil compared him to Stevie Wonderboy, I can't rule Azul Leon out, but he has a lot to prove(as far as going 2 turns.)
As does the M/L favorite Anybody honestly think a son of Speightstown is going two turns?

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...enile-favorite
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Juvenile
Bushranger
Midshipman
Street Hero
Silent Valor

Juvenile Turf
Westphalia
Bittel Road
Coronet of a Baron
Grand Adventure
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