What the 2nd Ammendment is for

[golfer]

http://www.brasschecktv.com:80/page/564.html

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by golfer

http://www.brasschecktv.com:80/page/564.html

Sad story..still don't think we should be arming citizens though. I'll troll through you tube some day and find videos of the stories of kids blown away by their parents when they come home unexepectedly.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Sad story..still don't think we should be arming citizens though. I'll troll through you tube some day and find videos of the stories of kids blown away by their parents when they come home unexepectedly.

who is 'we'? i mean, if someone is arming citizens, then i bought and paid for my guns for nothing..i'd love to get some for free!

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Danzig

who is 'we'? i mean, if someone is arming citizens, then i bought and paid for my guns for nothing..i'd love to get some for free!

ok, ok..."that citizens should be able to be armed"..

I know I am in the minority here, but anyone with a cause, no matter how extreme, can find something to justify their reasoning. Just bugs me when Golfer posts this as the end all to why the second amendment is being interperted correctly now. I'm not sure of the relationship between her story and a well armed militia?

[golfer]

Originally Posted by GBBob

ok, ok..."that citizens should be able to be armed"..

I know I am in the minority here, but anyone with a cause, no matter how extreme, can find something to justify their reasoning. Just bugs me when Golfer posts this as the end all to why the second amendment is being interperted correctly now. I'm not sure of the relationship between her story and a well armed militia?

Bob, I am not a gun owner, never have and probably never will.
To be honest, not trying to make any "end all" statements. I saw the video, thought it would make for a potentially interesting discussion. I was really impressed with how composed she was, and how eloquently she spoke about something so emotional.
I do think her final sentence is the point of this whole argument.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by golfer

Bob, I am not a gun owner, never have and probably never will.
To be honest, not trying to make any "end all" statements. I saw the video, thought it would make for a potentially interesting discussion. I was really impressed with how composed she was, and how eloquently she spoke about something so emotional.
I do think her final sentence is the point of this whole argument.

Honestly Seth, when I first watched it I thought it was rigged..the way they had her lit. All that was missing was a halo photoshopped over her head.

If you put a gun to my head, pun intented, I would think there is a middle ground on responsible gun ownership. But with the NRA and many individuals fighting every seemingly sensible piece of gun legislation as "chipping away at the 2nd ammendment", I feel that the only way to combat them is to take an equally polarizing viewpoint in the other direction. I'm not opposed to hunting, skeet shooting, etc. But I really don't think concealed carry laws are in my best interests as a citizen and can't understand why semi automatic weapons are necessary outside of the military or police.

There..for what it's worth..

[Danzig]

septicemia is the #10 cause of death in this country-1% of deaths per year is the breakdown...half of deaths in this country are from heart disease and cancers.
guns weren't on the list-altho accidents/unintended injuries was on the list...
my son did a paper the other day on legalizing marijuana. one stat he found was that 15% of deaths in the u.s. per year are alcohol related-between cirrhosis and dui-vehicle accidents....
at any rate, guns causing death wasn't even on the screen...also saw that over half of gun deaths per year were suicides. but our suicide rate is on par with other countries...

[Payson Dave]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoiMDj9bSE8

[SOREHOOF]

If only someone could give me a legitimate definition of "assault weapon". She is correct about the reason for the Right to Bear Arms. Guns don't kill people, People kill people. I take full responsibility for my actions, and as an American I expect everyone else to take responsibility for their actions. I'm so sick of people making excuses and playing the blame game. If you really think our Govt. is looking out for your best interests here at home then great. This country was founded on individual freedom. Why worry about conceal carry permits? The people who have them are VERY unlikely to do you or your loved ones any harm. How about we round up some criminals for a change instead of harassing innocent law abiding citizens.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

If only someone could give me a legitimate definition of "assault weapon". She is correct about the reason for the Right to Bear Arms. Guns don't kill people, People kill people. I take full responsibility for my actions, and as an American I expect everyone else to take responsibility for their actions. I'm so sick of people making excuses and playing the blame game. If you really think our Govt. is looking out for your best interests here at home then great. This country was founded on individual freedom. Why worry about conceal carry permits? The people who have them are VERY unlikely to do you or your loved ones any harm. How about we round up some criminals for a change instead of harassing innocent law abiding citizens.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

If only someone could give me a legitimate definition of "assault weapon". She is correct about the reason for the Right to Bear Arms. Guns don't kill people, People kill people. I take full responsibility for my actions, and as an American I expect everyone else to take responsibility for their actions. I'm so sick of people making excuses and playing the blame game. If you really think our Govt. is looking out for your best interests here at home then great. This country was founded on individual freedom. Why worry about conceal carry permits? The people who have them are VERY unlikely to do you or your loved ones any harm. How about we round up some criminals for a change instead of harassing innocent law abiding citizens.

Bravo!

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Guns don't kill people, People kill people.

Yes indeed. Tanks dont kill people, people kill people.
In Hiroshima, the atomic weapon did not kill people, the
bombadier killed people.

There is a point were certain killing devices become too dangerous
for the general public. Primarily because they can take down
significant number of innocent folks fairly quickly.
I cant draw an exact line. But some of these
weapons sold at gun shows to people, will kill lots of people.
Quickly.

People kill people... Hell cluster bombs dont kill people, people kill people..
JEEEZZZUUUSSSSS. I will protect myself with nerve gas.

I really dont mean to make fun (ahhhh, I guess I sorta do)...
people have the right to protect themselves and family no doubt. But some
of the self defense weapons could be used to take over a small
country.

[SOREHOOF]

It seems O.K. to take away constitutional rights from some while creating new ones out of thin air for others. This is a serious attack on our liberty. Sometimes you have to stick up for things that don't appeal personally to yourself to preserve the rights of all Americans. Patriot Act?

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

It seems O.K. to take away constitutional rights from some while creating new ones out of thin air for others. This is a serious attack on our liberty. Sometimes you have to stick up for things that don't appeal personally to yourself to preserve the rights of all Americans. Patriot Act?

And some constitutional rights were written when people shot
balls of iron out of pieces of pipe at 10 feet. The right to protect
yourself is important.
Protect yourself with what?

I understand your concern. It is noble. I just think some situations
require understanding the technology of today, with the rights
and liberties that apply at all times.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Yes indeed. Tanks dont kill people, people kill people.
In Hiroshima, the atomic weapon did not kill people, the
bombadier killed people.

There is a point were certain killing devices become too dangerous
for the general public. Primarily because they can take down
significant number of innocent folks fairly quickly.
I cant draw an exact line. But some of these
weapons sold at gun shows to people, will kill lots of people.
Quickly.

People kill people... Hell cluster bombs dont kill people, people kill people..
JEEEZZZUUUSSSSS. I will protect myself with nerve gas.

I really dont mean to make fun (ahhhh, I guess I sorta do)...
people have the right to protect themselves and family no doubt. But some
of the self defense weapons could be used to take over a small
country.

One nut with a box cutter can kill thousands of people. Outlaw box cutters? Thanks anyway. (people don't kill people, cops kill people). I can make a molatov cocktail out of an empty wine bottle, lets outlaw wine. It would take out a good sized crowd of people pretty quick. Let's outlaw geese.... fast, before someone gets hurt. I'm not even going to start in about anyone's pet pit bull or CHIMP. The point is,,,, take responsibility for your actions.

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

One nut with a box cutter can kill thousands of people. Outlaw box cutters? Thanks anyway. (people don't kill people, cops kill people). I can make a molatov cocktail out of an empty wine bottle, lets outlaw wine. It would take out a good sized crowd of people pretty quick. Let's outlaw geese.... fast, before someone gets hurt. I'm not even going to start in about anyone's pet pit bull or CHIMP. The point is,,,, take responsibility for your actions.

The 2nd amendment is not about taking responsibility for
your own actions. Its about the right to take up arms
in certain situations. And those situations should not be interpreted
as taking up "arms" on aircraft with people
all squished together that cannot get away.
Places where box cutters and firebombs would not be used
for protection. BTW, malatov cocktails are not good defensive weapons.
A handgun would be much more
effective.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by pgardn

And some constitutional rights were written when people shot
balls of iron out of pieces of pipe at 10 feet. The right to protect
yourself is important.
Protect yourself with what?

I understand your concern. It is noble. I just think some situations
require understanding the technology of today, with the rights
and liberties that apply at all times.

These "constitutional rights" were written when governments and tyrants assumed complete control over people. Doesn't any of this seem a little familiar? As for the weaponry of 230 yrs ago, you may be amazed at the functionality of these "assault weapons".

[SOREHOOF]

The whole idea of being an American is, or should be, about taking responsibility. There are some things that go without saying. Then and now. It wasn't until fairly recently that society has abandoned responsibility in favor of blaming others and looking for an easy way out. Some blanks shouldn't have to be filled in.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

The whole idea of being an American is, or should be, about taking responsibility. There are some things that go without saying. Then and now. It wasn't until fairly recently that society has abandoned responsibility in favor of blaming others and looking for an easy way out. Some blanks shouldn't have to be filled in.

"entitlement" replaced responsibility.....
Me....just give me a Tek-9 and requisite ammo ....still thinking about the handgun....

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

The whole idea of being an American is, or should be, about taking responsibility. There are some things that go without saying. Then and now. It wasn't until fairly recently that society has abandoned responsibility in favor of blaming others and looking for an easy way out. Some blanks shouldn't have to be filled in.

One also has to take responsibity when screwing
the devil out of others. I dont think Berne Madoff
understands this. But I guess its tough luck for
the charities that trusted him. It was their responsibility
to stay away from criminals. Just like its my responsibilty
not to walk into a high crime area. I should know when
I am going to get robbed and sliced?

Its all where "we" put the emphasis. I hate blood sucking,
ambulance chasing lawyers as much as anyone.
But when one guy like Madoff rips people off for billions, and welfare
parasites rip us off for billions... Well we all know who is easier to
take down.
Has Bernie been removed from his palace yet?
I wonder when he will be jailed...