4/11 (OP): Arkansas Derby; Northern Spur; Instant Racing

[smuthg]

7th (3:21) Instant Racing S.

1 Mile | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $75,000

1 Turtledove Ocampo I 117
2 One for Jim Hernandez B J Jr 115 L
3 Cat Onthe Town Velasquez C 115 L
4 Belong Again Johnson J M 119 L
5 What a Smile Compton P 115 L
6 Landwoman Bejarano R 119
7 Mindy Sue Emigh C A 115 L
8 Payton d'Oro Thompson T J 117 L
9 Peach Brew Hamilton Q 119 L



9th (4:25) Northern Spur S.

1 Mile | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $75,000

2 It Happened Again Thompson T J 119 L
3 Golden Chapel Ocampo I 117 L
1 Headstart Gryder A T 122 L
4 Dance Caller Sterling L J Jr 117 L
1A Uno Mas Hernandez B J Jr 119 L
5 Bergman Berry M C 115 L
6 Marquee Event Hamilton Q 115 L
7 Anaan Melancon L 115 L
8 Kick On McNeil B 119 L
9 Fufty Too Bejarano R 115 L
10 Street Move Emigh C A 115 L
11 Quiet Thanks Razo E Jr 115 L
12 Good Sermon Court J K 117 L

A-Coupled: Headstart and Uno Mas



11th (5:41) Arkansas Derby (G2)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Captain Cherokee Gryder A T 118 L (20-1)
2 Papa Clem Bejarano R 118 L (6-1)
3 Flat Out Garcia J A 122 L (10-1)
4 Poltergeist Hamilton Q 118 L (20-1)
5 Ziegfeld Court J K 118 Blk-On L (12-1)
6 Flying Private Ocampo I 118 L (6-1)
7 Summer Bird Rosier C R 118 L (30-1)
8 Old Fashioned Thompson T J 122 L (9-5)
9 Win Willy Berry M C 122 L (7-2)
10 Danger to Society Velasquez C 118 L (6-1)

[SuffolkGirl]

Any ideas about Flat Out? I am looking forward to watching him run. I thought he fell off the map. Anyone have any news about why he hasn't raced in some time?

[Oaklawnfan]

Flat Out had trouble getting out of the gate in the Southwest Stakes back in Feburary. His trainer Scooter Dickey says he thinks his colt is now ready to go and has a real shot on Saturday in the Derby. I do like the morning line price, but I don't think he'll go off that high. Old Fashion should redeem himself with Terry Thompson now in the irons. Flat out could fill out the exacta.

[JDank34]

Originally Posted by SuffolkGirl

Any ideas about Flat Out? I am looking forward to watching him run. I thought he fell off the map. Anyone have any news about why he hasn't raced in some time?

i have a huge KY Derby future on Flat Out and have followed him for 8 months...he had a few minor problems, but Scooter has him right and he will be awfully tough Saturday.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SuffolkGirl

Any ideas about Flat Out? I am looking forward to watching him run. I thought he fell off the map. Anyone have any news about why he hasn't raced in some time?

they said he came out of his last with a hoof bruise.

[eajinabi]

Great ride by Bejarano. He was the difference.

Happy for Gary Stute for going to the derby. Win or lose that guy always laughs

[Bobby Fischer]

So much for rating Old Fashioned near the front. 22.65

I guess they could care less about the Kentucky Derby, and decided the best way to get the Arkansas purse money was to get a clear lead.

[Hoist Her Flag]

Agreed they went for the money. Do they pass on CD and go to Pimlico?

[randallscott35]

I was impressed with Old Fashioned. I just wish they'd keep him at a mile.

[eajinabi]

They can still go to the derby with old fashioned but have him be a deep closer than a front runner. His Arkansas derby was pretty good despite going 22 and change (uncontested) at first call but still had something left in him.

Long term I see him a miler , mile and one sixteeth type.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

They can still go to the derby with old fashioned but have him be a deep closer than a front runner. His Arkansas derby was pretty good despite going 22 and change (uncontested) at first call but still had something left in him.

Long term I see him a miler , mile and one sixteeth type.

ummmmm what?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

They can still go to the derby with old fashioned but have him be a deep closer than a front runner. His Arkansas derby was pretty good despite going 22 and change (uncontested) at first call but still had something left in him.

Long term I see him a miler , mile and one sixteeth type.

I usually don't do this but......but.......nah, nevermind. You all can read it for yourselves.

If they do take Old Fashion to the Derby
he could help set up a meltdown.

Good lord what was the horse doing? 22 something, 46...
I guess Bailey is right about trying to hold him back.
It does not work.

[DaTruth]

All you need to know about the Arkansas Derby is that Summer Bird was closing on the top two at the end.

Old Fashioned's only chance in the Derby is to head to the front and hope that it is one of those War Emblem type of years when the jockeys on the frontburners are all thinking the other guy will set the pace.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

All you need to know about the Arkansas Derby is that Summer Bird was closing on the top two at the end.

Old Fashioned's only chance in the Derby is to head to the front and hope that it is one of those War Emblem type of years when the jockeys on the frontburners are all thinking the other guy will set the pace.

old fashioned wasn't exactly pressed early today. he ran too fast too soon, and didn't have quite enough at the end. based on todays race, i wouldn't use him or papa clem in ky. papa clem had a perfect run, and barely beat the pacesetter.

as for summer bird-a late run in one race doesn't necessarily indicate he'll be there with just a bit more stretch to run. he could always come up just short.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Danzig

as for summer bird-a late run in one race doesn't necessarily indicate he'll be there with just a bit more stretch to run. he could always come up just short.

Just how bad of a race was the Arkansas Derby when a horse like Summer Bird runs as close as that to the top two.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Just how bad of a race was the Arkansas Derby when a horse like Summer Bird runs as close as that to the top two.

It doesn't take much horse to clunk up for 3rd in a fast-paced race. Steppenwolfer ran 3rd in the Derby, Imawildandcrazyguy ran 4th.

It really says nothing about the top two given that they still finished ahead of him.

It does say that Win Willy was a one-hit wonder whose day has already come and gone. Although, I can't imagine anyone was really taking him seriously as a derby horse.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

It doesn't take much horse to clunk up for 3rd in a fast-paced race. Steppenwolfer ran 3rd in the Derby, Imawildandcrazyguy ran 4th.

It really says nothing about the top two given that they still finished ahead of him.

It does say that Win Willy was a one-hit wonder whose day has already come and gone. Although, I can't imagine anyone was really taking him seriously as a derby horse.

That might be true if Summer Bird had finished a distant third, or if he was running down two frontrunners who had dueled from the gate. Papa Clem, who was sitting in mid pack behind the fast pace, had nearly four lengths on Summer Bird at the stretch call. The margin was just over a length at the end. It wasn't like Papa Clem was coasting to the wire, as Rafael had to get into him to hold Old Fashioned safe.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You'd be surprised.....

Did IEAH make an offer?

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You'd be surprised.....

Before today why not? He HAD the style that would benefit if there was gonna be all the speed that was projected (before all these speed types started to fall apart the last week or so). Out of Monarchos. While he was a reach, wasn't impossible. I mean...people actually like Pioneer of the Nothing.....so it could be worse.