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10-24-2009, 07:29 PM
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I Really Wish I Could Have Seen......
Grand Canyon as a 3yo.
Landaluce as a 3yo. How the BC Distaff would have turned out had Go for Wand not broken down. Lost Code in the 1987 and 1988 BC Classics. King Glorious face Easy Goer and Sunday Silence. The 1987 Travers on a fast track so when Java Gold kicked ass, there would have been no excuses. Dinard, Event of the Year, and Dehere in their respective Derbies. Arazi sent to the Derby with more than that one 8f grass prep. Easy Goer, Sunday Silence, and Holy Bull complete their 4yo seasons. Ghostzapper vs. Smarty Jones. Candy Ride in the 2003 BC Classic. Zenyatta face the boys. Manila in the 1987 BC Turf
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The real horses of the year (1986-2020) Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine 
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10-24-2009, 07:55 PM
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Point Given in the Classic. Bernardini mature a month earlier and run in the Derby. Candy Ride just simply race more. Barbaro not break down...I think Bernardini ran a 117 so I think he would have beat Barbaro, but that could have been some kind of rival. Zenyatta vs Rachel in the Woodward, if the race was ran the same, Zenyatta would have beat her. Commentator stay healthy. Zenyatta vs The Boys Rachel vs Icon Project at 1 1/4 Icon Project run in the JCGC
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10-24-2009, 08:09 PM
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The great, great, great two year old Swear survive past his two year old season.
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10-24-2009, 08:21 PM
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Red Ransom and Eastern Echo have careers.
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The real horses of the year (1986-2020) Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine
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10-24-2009, 09:31 PM
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Grand Canyon as a 3yo.
2nd San Vicente and San Rafael to Mister Frisky 2nd Blue Grass to Summer Squall 1st Lexington 16th Kentucky Derby 5th King's Bishop to Housebuster retired Landaluce as a 3yo. 5th Hollywood Futurity to Roving Boy 1st Las Virgenes 1st Santa Susana 5th Santa Anita Derby 6th Test to Gold Beauty Lost Code in the 1987 and 1988 BC Classics. Would have allowed Cryptoclearance to run 3rd in consecutive years instead of Judge Angelucci and Waquoit. King Glorious face Easy Goer and Sunday Silence. King Glorious 3rd in a 3-horse field. By 10. The 1987 Travers on a fast track so when Java Gold kicked ass, there would have been no excuses. Other than every other starter in the race ran once every two weeks since February, including 2 if not 3 Classics. Dinard, Event of the Year, and Dehere in their respective Derbies. Dinard: Funny Cide still would have been the first gelding to win Derby since Clyde Van Dusen. Event Of The Year: Would have been transfered to Dick Mandella a year sooner after skipping the Illinois Derby (won by the mighty Yarrow Brae) to be an also-ran at CD. Dehere: Would have reversed form on Tabasco Cat, but not Brocco. Arazi sent to the Derby with more than that one 8f grass prep. 8th after a brilliant mid-race move. Easy Goer, Sunday Silence, and Holy Bull complete their 4yo seasons. Easy Goer: 2nd Arlington Match Race w/ Sunday Silence 2nd Woodward to Dispersal 2nd Jockey Club Gold Cup to Flying Continental 2nd NYRA Mile to Quiet American retired Sunday Silence: 1st Arlington Match Race w/ Easy Goer 1st Goodwood 3rd BC Classic retired Holy Bull: 2nd Donn to Cigar 1st Westchester 1st Met Mile 1st Brooklyn 1st Iselin 1st Whitney 2nd Woodward by a nose 1st NYRA Mile retired Ghostzapper vs. Smarty Jones. Smarty Jones last. Candy Ride in the 2003 BC Classic. 2nd to Pleasantly Perfect. Zenyatta face the boys. Add one length to Life Is Sweet's Hollywood Gold Cup effort.
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10-24-2009, 09:36 PM
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10-24-2009, 09:37 PM
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The real horses of the year (1986-2020) Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine
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10-24-2009, 09:47 PM
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i'd like to have seen Afleet Alex live too.
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"Always keep your heads up and act like champions." Coach Paul Bryant Last edited by ddthetide : 10-24-2009 at 10:13 PM.
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#12
10-24-2009, 09:57 PM
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Agreed with you guys about Big Red, but I just got finished reading Ruffian and never realized how special she was. I wish I could have seen her race too.
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Felix Unger talking to Oscar Madison: "Your horse could finish third by 20 lengths and they still pay you? And you have been losing money for all these years?!"
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10-24-2009, 10:34 PM
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10-24-2009, 11:14 PM
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And also at Hollywood Park - Favorite Trick gets voted Horse of the Year after obliterating a terrible Canadian horse and a lifelong maiden with a 101 in a year when the handicap division was at its deepest and the 2yo division was markedly below par. People wonder why I thump hardcore with speed figures when I talk about evaluating top horses from different time periods ... and yet the same speed figures are down quite a ways on factors that determine whom I bet ... look no further than Favorite Trick.
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10-24-2009, 11:15 PM
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Mineshaft in the Classic.
Dead heat with Candy Ride for 2nd. Point Given in the Classic. Dead heat with Include for 7th. Bernardini mature a month earlier and run in the Derby. 8th after brilliant mid-race move. Candy Ride just simply race more. 2nd BC Classic (deadheated w/ Mineshaft) 1st San Pasqual 1st San Antonio 1st Santa Anita Handicap 1st Shoemaker Mile 1st Hollywood Gold Cup 1st Pacific Classic 3rd Woodward 1st Jockey Club Gold Cup 2nd BC Classic Barbaro not break down...I think Bernardini ran a 117 so I think he would have beat Barbaro, but that could have been some kind of rival. Scratched at the gate after breaking through. Off 6 months. 2007: 1st Canadian Turf 3rd Maker's Mark 1st Woodford Reserve 3rd Manhattan 1st Iselin 2nd Woodward 3rd Jockey Club Gold Cup 5th BC Classic retired Zenyatta vs Rachel in the Woodward, if the race was ran the same, Zenyatta would have beat her. Sea The Stars by 5. Commentator stay healthy. unplaced in 4 straight BC appearances (2 Sprints, 2 Classics). Icon Project run in the JCGC Eased. Vanned off. Bowed tendon.
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10-24-2009, 11:20 PM
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I don't know man .... that was a mind-bogglingly bad field. Steppenwolfer ran 3rd and the 2nd place finisher was coming off of a 20+ length drubbing at the hands of Sinister Minister - albeit against a biased track. Bernardini was too much of a finisher to flatten out against that.
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10-24-2009, 11:27 PM
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I suppose if he "matured" earlier, he would have run in at least one significant Derby prep. In that regard, he could have won the Lexington. That would have been enough to get second. Nonetheless, you love to knock Bluegrass Cat (I don't really blame you) as part of that weak field, but didn't he run a couple decent numbers later on?
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10-24-2009, 11:35 PM
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My not so obvious choice Makybe Diva's third straight Melbourne Cup in 05.
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10-24-2009, 11:42 PM
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I wish Barbaro would have completed his 3 year old campaign.
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