Obama for Small Business

[dellinger63]

well not quite but for those many mom & pop companies that employ union workers he is.

How is it Obama is for 'good' health care insurance again?

If that was indeed the case he'd give those with 'Cadilac' insurance policies a break not a tax. After all those with 'cadilac' health insurance have larger ceilings, more diagnostic testing and more preventive care making the policy holder less of a burden to society, health wise, at least in theory.

You know the same theory he uses to say everyone should have coverage to bring down costs!



http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...PIJlIxXAm37DOM

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

well not quite but for those many mom & pop companies that employ union workers he is.

How is it Obama is for 'good' health care insurance again?

If that was indeed the case he'd give those with 'Cadilac' insurance policies a break not a tax. After all those with 'cadilac' health insurance have larger ceilings, more diagnostic testing and more preventive care making the policy holder less of a burden to society, health wise, at least in theory.

You know the same theory he uses to say everyone should have coverage to bring down costs!



http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...PIJlIxXAm37DOM

union payoff dell

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by gales0678

union payoff dell

It may take even more backroom deals and bribery to get this ultra-partisan, unpopular, monstrosity of a healthcare "reform" through both houses.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by gales0678

union payoff dell

Trying to swing the Mass. Senate race to Coakley as many unions are not supporting her.

[dellinger63]

I think he may be so used to getting on his knees to pass his socialist
agend(i), he's starting to enjoy it...

[Riot]

LOL - yeah, that mythical "socialist agenda" is why liberals are complaining he hasn't been progressive enough, and his poll numbers have fallen among independent liberals

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

It may take even more backroom deals and bribery to get this ultra-partisan, unpopular, monstrosity of a healthcare "reform" through both houses.

Naw. McConnell signed off on minority blanket approval of amendments. The Dems [edit: if they lose the 60th vote] will just have the House pass the already passed Senate bill, and work on it later; or just do reconciliation. Healthcare reform is a done deal, the only remaining questions are what the startup bill will specifically contain, and how it's passed.

BTW, the main reason it's unpopular is that it doesn't contain a public option. Aside from the minority right who would vote against any healthcare reform, any "unpopularity" stems from the majority who want healthcare reform considering the current Senate version of the bill being too reconcilatory, too weak, too watered down.

[SOREHOOF]

I thought it was unpopular because it is a power grabbing intrusion into peoples lives that this country can't afford and doesn't need at this time. It is full of unfair tax increases on everyone. Not just those earning over $250,000. Didn't the Unions get stroked enough when Obama seized GM and Chrysler and gave them to the UAW? How are those companies doing right now? New leadership doesn't seem to have them turning the corner yet. The economy is a bigger priority than National Healthcare in most peoples minds.

[Riot]

I thought it was unpopular because it is a power grabbing intrusion into peoples lives that this country can't afford and doesn't need at this time.

Naw. This President was elected on the promise of massive healthcare reform, and regulation of the insurance industry that controls our healthcare industry. One of his major platforms. Trouble is, the Senate has watered it down terribly.

It is full of unfair tax increases on everyone. Not just those earning over $250,000.

Not the House version (which is more self-funding). The Senate version taxes more, as they took out some funding the House version has.

Didn't the Unions get stroked enough when Obama seized GM and Chrysler and gave them to the UAW? How are those companies doing right now? New leadership doesn't seem to have them turning the corner yet. The economy is a bigger priority than National Healthcare in most peoples minds.

The Unions gave up alot - they certainly didn't get stroked! - with GM and Chrysler. What do you think the unions got out of that? Mostly massive cuts, and giving up stuff. GM and Chrysler needed to go bankrupt.
Ford, meanwhile, did great and emerged leaner and meaner and more profitable.

The economy? We are turning around. You don't turn a major recession around in a few months and make it all gone. It started turning around under Bush with his very late bailouts, and is continuing.

The only arguments I've been reading from economists lately is that the stimulus plans were okay, but not enough to really make an impact on jobs. Hindsight is 20-20 in the financial world, however, now some wish the stimulus' were even more aggressive.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL - yeah, that mythical "socialist agenda" is why liberals are complaining he hasn't been progressive enough, and his poll numbers have fallen among independent liberals

Yea that's it he hasn't been progressive enough LOL

and that's why 56-58% of this country don't want government health care and those progressive liberals (socialists) in Mass are turning out for Brown.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Yea that's it he hasn't been progressive enough LOL

and that's why 56-58% of this country don't want government health care and those progressive liberals (socialists) in Mass are turning out for Brown.

Yeah, Dell, he hasn't been progressive enough for the independents that voted him in. Look at the healthcare polls - but look at poll numbers that ask the right questions, that show people still do want healthcare reform (just like who elected him) - what they don't want the crappy, useless Senate version.

Separate out those folks from that 56-58%, what you are left with is the normal GOP that says no, the normal Dems that say yes, and independents saying "no to crap" .

After the Senate passed their version of healthcare reform, the majority of calls not to pass it (that version) came from the disappointed ultra-progressive left. Surprisingly, not the right.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yeah, Dell, he hasn't been progressive enough for the independents that voted him in. Look at the healthcare polls - but look at poll numbers that ask the right questions, that show people still do want healthcare reform (just like who elected him) - what they don't want the crappy, useless Senate version.

so those independents have bailed and now are coming out for conservative- independent Brown and other repubs in the case of NJ and Virg, or just so disgusted they are staying home and not voting? And I think you're looking at polls asking the 'right' people not 'right' questions as in Huffington visitors and ACORN office workers aka 'Pimp and Ho Consultants, LLC'.

Like Pelosi said no matter what the people in Mass want, healthcare will get done. Very tough to make decisions on anything other than what the people want and keep the people's support but that is what elections and tonight are all about. The future's finally looking brighter and we're finally seeing the results of all that spending like a drunkin sailor, Obama has done!

[Riot]

From what I've seen the super-left liberals are angry Obama hasn't done more, and they were openly calling for not passing this healthcare reform as it stands (the Senate version), as it's "too weak". I've seen more pointed op-ed criticisms of Obama and economics/healthcare on Kos, Slate, HuffPo type sites than Fox!

But no, those are not who are voting for Brown and GOP candidates from what I've seen. Brown voters, if he gets elected today, I would guess are the "middle go either way" type of folks that classify themselves not as Dem or GOP, but Independent. The GOP is far outnumbered by Dems in Mass, but Dems are outnumbered by Independents. The Ind. control this election in Mass.

[dellinger63]

Just a coincidence the independent vote has been democratic for the past 50yrs?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Just a coincidence the independent vote has been democratic for the past 50yrs?

??? I think 37% classify themselves as independent now (saw it somewhere today), don't know how they classified themselves 40 years ago.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

??? I think 37% classify themselves as independent now
thats half of the dems that voted for this fraud..they are halfway to the right!!!

over under on ob tv speeches during 4 years 380 my boy loves flooossin' fo the camera!!

[Riot]

Obama has a 75% personal approval rating in Mass. They love him.

What they don't like is what is happening with economics: Wall Street not Main Street attitude, and jobs, according to interviews of voters today. That's what this election means.

Jobs, jobs, jobs.

But now, with the GOP all set to vote and campaign against any taxation of bank bonuses, and recently voting blanketly against financial reform bills - which party will be on the side of the "will of the people" when it comes to "Wall Street vs Main Street"? The GOP better pay attention to this result, too.

Especially when the candidate in Mass who just won, ran on a platform calling himself "41" - promising to vote against something the CBO says will markedly lower our countries deficit.

Politics isn't simple.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by Riot

Obama has a 75% personal approval rating in Mass. They love him.

What they don't like is what is happening with economics: Wall Street not Main Street attitude, and jobs, according to interviews of voters today. That's what this election means.

Jobs, jobs, jobs.

But now, with the GOP all set to vote and campaign against any taxation of bank bonuses, and recently voting blanketly against financial reform bills - which party will be on the side of the "will of the people" when it comes to "Wall Street vs Main Street"? The GOP better pay attention to this result, too.

Especially when the candidate in Mass who just won, ran on a platform calling himself "41" - promising to vote against something the CBO says will markedly lower our countries deficit.

Politics isn't simple.

You're wrong on the Brown election. The two main voter concerns were the health care reform they're trying to rush through and terrorism. People are very much against having these trials in N.Y. and giving terrorists the same rights as U.S. citizens.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

You're wrong on the Brown election. The two main voter concerns were the health care reform they're trying to rush through and terrorism. People are very much against having these trials in N.Y. and giving terrorists the same rights as U.S. citizens.

Terrorism? I've seen no overnight polls discuss that at all. Where did you hear that?

And seriously - where the hell were all these people worried about "rights" when Bush successfully prosecuted multiple terrorists in the US Federal Court system? That ring a bell?

Crotchbomber was interrogated for 30 hours, spilled his guts. Perfectly legal. Read that article I posted in the other thread about the interview with the JAG lawyers, saying that the military is in many ways far more restrictive than civilian courts. Basically saying people watch too many TV lawyer shows, and their impressions are largely wrong.

Edit: Here, I looked it up. It's not an editorial or op-ed, it's an interview with military JAG lawyers about the difference between trying crotchbomber between military and civilian courts

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_419203.html

[Antitrust32]

riot, you are unbelievably stubborn! You wont even listen to the reasons stated by a Mass citizen herself! She knows a million times more than you do when it comes to the election in her own state! you never cease to amaze me!