Evolution or "clerical error"

[Downthestretch55]

I'm guessing that when Pgardn sees this, he'll have something to say.
My son, a post doctoral developmental biologist is plenty p i s s e d, and rightly so.
Do we see a previously "hidden agenda" now revealed?

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0825-04.htm

[Danzig]

oh, there's an agenda alright..not so sure about the hidden part tho!!

[Downthestretch55]

Danzig,
I hear you. I purposely didn't respond to your "school prayer" thread because I thought others would tell you about the First Amendment. You stand on solid ground. Though I personally do believe in God, I find it abhorrent to impose personal beliefs on others, whether in "public school" or elected (?) government.
If I was in your situation, I'd buy my kids prayer rugs and a cassette player.
Tape a few calls to prayer and have them put their little butts up in the air when the PA system fires up. Just tell them it's the same God, and noone has the "right" to tell them in what manner they should be allowed to pray.
If you document this case, you will be able to sue the school district and win big time. Your kids college expenses will be paid in full!

As Americans, the "land of the free and the home of the brave", the only way those that seek to impose their belief on others is when the "brave" rip back the "curtain" to expose that which they wish to hide.

You're right...plenty of "hidden agendas" have been allowed.
Time to expose them and make them pay.
DTS

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

I'm guessing that when Pgardn sees this, he'll have something to say.
My son, a post doctoral developmental biologist is plenty p i s s e d, and rightly so.
Do we see a previously "hidden agenda" now revealed?

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0825-04.htm

I'd say this takes the cake, but of course, it's not surprising.

The most amazing phrase ever invented is "intelligent design," coined by the Discovery Institute, a neo-conservative think tank which says ID is a "scientific theory that is on equal with, or superior to, evolution theory."

You, I and the American people (phrase courtesy of Bob Dole) all know what is true. George Bush, (surprise!) believes Intelligent Design should be taught in schools.

I think it's very reasonable for people to have their beliefs re evolution or creation but these are topics for church or home and certainly Intelligent Design is not a science and has no place in schools.

When the Church gets it's fingers into policy; be it forcing creationism onto our children or condemning stem cell research as "unethical" as it did this week, that's bad stuff.

But you cannot easily keep religion out of politics or our schools. The lure is too strong and the payoff is too high. After all, they burned Galileo for not condemning Copernicus and having the stones to say that yes, indeed, the world is not flat.

[Danzig]

i thought they were going to burn him, but galileo recanted...of course he was right all along.
church proposed that not only was the earth flat, it was the center of the universe and all the heavenly bodies orbited around it....oops. pretty good display of why the church has no business in science....

way back when, the first cartographers made their primitive maps, all the known world was surrounded by mystery...the edges of the earth and 'here be dragons'...unknown, unexplained, so it must be supernatural.

[Downthestretch55]

Seems to me that those that have the "stones" to stand up to bullies get to have a laugh when the bullies back down.
The current nonsense has gone on for far too long.

Socrates said, "To thine own self be true."

So, when you know you are on firm ground, just follow your convictions.
Never display fear. That plays their "hand". There are others that believe as you do.
And, "the truth will make you free."

Seems to me that so many "Americans" have forgotten that they have the right to stand up and say they oppose what is wrong, whether it's being labeled as "unpatriotic" for opposing a fabricated war, or anti-Jew for opposing Israel's belligerant policies. If our ancestors had feared speaking out for what they believed was right, we'd still be paying taxes to Britain, people of African desent would still be enslaved, and we still would be bombing Hanoi.
Unfortunately, unless freedom is asserted, there are those that will assume it isn't of consequence....yours, mine, but definitely not theirs.

The truth will out!

[GenuineRisk]

Oh my God, what is wrong with this country? How did a bunch of religious zealots wind up dictating governmental policy?

Let alone the fact that evolution is about as well-established a theory as you're going to find, but what are we thinking teaching our kids religious theory that's going to leave them behind in education when compared with kids overseas? There is such an anti-intellectual bias in this country, and I don't know when or how it started or how to get people to understand that ignorance is not actually something to be proud of. In fact, one SHOULD read the news. I, for one, want my President to be the smartest guy in the room...

In the words of that great philosopher, Pink, "What happened to the dreams of a girl President/She's dancing in a video next to 50 Cent"

The omission is inadvertent, said Katherine McLane, a spokeswoman for the Department of Education, which administers the grants. “There is no explanation for it being left off the list,” Ms. McLane said. “It has always been an eligible major.”

Another spokeswoman, Samara Yudof, said evolutionary biology would be restored to the list, but as of last night it was still missing.


Well I assure plenty of people will get it restored. Hopefully a clerical error. If not, not terribly suprising what some folks try to pull off. On this issue the Republican Religious right has led the party into very shallow water. George Will is one of the few Republicans that actually speaks up about this and basically says it is stupidity for the Republican party to have anything like this and has also said it is absolute stupidity to have creationsism in a SCIENCE classroom. So the party is not all nutty.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Yeah, teaching creationism as a science is basically like teaching science as a religion. You can't mix the two. How can you prove that God exists? Do we have any tangible, concrete, observable evidence that God exists? H e l l no (no pun intended)! I'm all for religion, but there is no way that you can prove or disprove it exists as a fact. It is a spiritual belief, and that is what it needs to be taught as. Also, evolutionary biology is a very important aspect of science. Just what are the people in Congress trying to prove? Americans need to give the people in Congress/White House a wake up call, not just on this issue, but many, many others as well. They are over-steeping their boundaries and ignoring the U.S. Constitution in numerous different issues. It is getting scary...they have too much power.

Has anyone else heard anything else on the situation?

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Yeah, teaching creationism as a science is basically like teaching science as a religion. You can't mix the two. How can you prove that God exists? Do we have any tangible, concrete, observable evidence that God exists? H e l l no (no pun intended)! I'm all for religion, but there is no way that you can prove or disprove it exists as a fact. It is a spiritual belief, and that is what it needs to be taught as. Also, evolutionary biology is a very important aspect of science. Just what are the people in Congress trying to prove? Americans need to give the people in Congress/White House a wake up call, not just on this issue, but many, many others as well. They are over-steeping their boundaries and ignoring the U.S. Constitution in numerous different issues. It is getting scary...they have too much power.

Has anyone else heard anything else on the situation?

KY,
I haven't heard much on this...seems buried somewhere.
There is a big break through happening today.
In a "nut shell", a virus has been attached to certain melanomas (skin cancer) so that the body's immune system can identify and attack the invader. This means that chemo, radiation, surgery,and other strategies are no longer neccessary. This scientist has worked for thirty years to find this.
I hope he receives the Nobel for his efforts.
This gives me hope that scientists, unconstrained by "religious agendas" will help many.
Today's finding has huge implications.
True quests are undeterred by power. The "finding" deminishes the power.
Therein, many gain.
DTS