Best horses of the 1980's by division

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Based on past performances I've studied and some old charts I've seen and old races I've watched - I thought I'd take a stab this morning.


2-year-old male: Easy Goer - Devil's Bag - Chief's Crown - Grand Canyon

2-year-old female: Princess Rooney - Landaluce - Before Dawn - Althea

3-year-old male: Sunday Silence - Easy Goer - Spend A Buck - Conquistador Cielo

3-year-old female: Winning Colors - Genuine Risk - Mom's Command - Bold N' Determined

Older male: Spectacular Bid - Alysheba - Ferdinand - Turkoman

Older female: Personal Ensign, Lady's Secret, Princess Rooney, Bayakoa

Turf male: John Henry, Manila, Theatrical, Steinlen

Turf female: Miesque, All Along, Pebbles, Royal Heroine

Sprint male: Groovy, Precisonist, Phone Trick, Smile

Sprint female: Gold Beauty, Very Subtle, Safely Kept, Pine Tree Lane


Feel free to argue or agree. I'd be interested in hearing takes from people who were around and betting or in the industry through that time.

[Bogey]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Based on past performances I've studied and some old charts I've seen and old races I've watched - I thought I'd take a stab this morning.


2-year-old male: Easy Goer - Devil's Bag - Chief's Crown - Grand Canyon

2-year-old female: Princess Rooney - Landaluce - Before Dawn - Althea

3-year-old male: Sunday Silence - Easy Goer - Spend A Buck - Conquistador Cielo

3-year-old female: Winning Colors - Genuine Risk - Mom's Command - Bold N' Determined

Older male: Spectacular Bid - Alysheba - Ferdinand - Turkoman

Older female: Personal Ensign, Lady's Secret, Princess Rooney, Bayakoa

Turf male: John Henry, Manila, Theatrical, Steinlen

Turf female: Miesque, All Along, Pebbles, Royal Heroine

Sprint male: Groovy, Precisonist, Phone Trick, Smile

Sprint female: Gold Beauty, Very Subtle, Safely Kept, Pine Tree Lane


Feel free to argue or agree. I'd be interested in hearing takes from people who were around and betting or in the industry through that time.

Open Mind would be my only argument. She ended the decade with a rush. 2yr old and 3yr old Eclipse Award winner which included an awesome year in 1989.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I considered Open Mind for both 2yo and 3yo filly. I think she has a pretty decent case for 4th in both divisions. She did tail off in the fall as a 3yo though - and that was enough for me to keep her off.

Go For Wand was a champion 2yo filly in '89 - she was such a great 3yo - but her 2yo championship season really wasn't good enough other than maybe to put her in the running for 4th.

You had a lot of really outstanding horses that decade. The four older females are incredibly strong. I think you could make a case Personal Ensign is only 3rd best there. They're real close imo.

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Based on past performances I've studied and some old charts I've seen and old races I've watched - I thought I'd take a stab this morning.


2-year-old male: Easy Goer - Devil's Bag - Chief's Crown - Grand Canyon

2-year-old female: Princess Rooney - Landaluce - Before Dawn - Althea

3-year-old male: Sunday Silence - Easy Goer - Spend A Buck - Conquistador Cielo

3-year-old female: Winning Colors - Genuine Risk - Mom's Command - Bold N' Determined

Older male: Spectacular Bid - Alysheba - Ferdinand - Slew O' Gold
Older female: Personal Ensign, Lady's Secret, Princess Rooney, Bayakoa

Turf male: John Henry, Manila, Theatrical, Steinlen

Turf female: Miesque, All Along, Pebbles, Royal Heroine

Sprint male: Groovy, Precisonist, Phone Trick, Smile

Sprint female: Gold Beauty, Very Subtle, Safely Kept, Pine Tree Lane


Feel free to argue or agree. I'd be interested in hearing takes from people who were around and betting or in the industry through that time.

List looks pretty good. Made one change.

[Port Conway Lane]

I always felt Relaxing was one of the best mares of the time. Not sure if I could rate her higher than any on your list but I thought she was tops.
Spend A Buck was as game a frontrunner as I've ever seen. He's much closer to SS and EG than any other 3yo was to him.

[Indian Charlie]

On the Line, I'd to this day still rate him as one fo the best five sprinters I've ever seen. Perhaps top three.

[Indian Charlie]

A good case could be made for Althea as a 3yo filly as well.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

3-year-old male: Sunday Silence - Easy Goer - Spend A Buck - Conquistador Cielo

It is hard to argue against any of these but given the emphasis put on the Kentucky Derby for 3yos l I think I would give the edge to a Derby winner like Alysheba over CC in a close call like this one.
Obviously CC's Met Mile/Belmont double is impressive, but I'd favor a Derby/Preakness winner like Alysheba over that, especially given Alysheba's impressive BCC place performance to cap that year.

[Indian Charlie]

Older male, Greinton most certainly was a better horse than Ferdinand. I'd say the same for Precisionist as well.

On pure raw talent, I'd put Swear in the 2yos.

[DaTruth]

I would put Java Gold above Spend A Buck. Estrapade should also be given consideration.

[keithting]

You definitely seem to have done your homework on this list - though I can't argue with your list of older male horses - I dislike the fact that Winter's Tale or Fit to Fight did not make it. Though there speed figures might not be as high, I held them in that high a regard.

Also, I always thought that Groovy was slightly over-rated...

I'd take Shimatoree or Cure the Blues in a match race at 6 furlongs any day of the week.

Good stuff though....

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by keithting

You definitely seem to have done your homework on this list - though I can't argue with your list of older male horses - I dislike the fact that Winter's Tale or Fit to Fight did not make it. Though there speed figures might not be as high, I held them in that high a regard.

Also, I always thought that Groovy was slightly over-rated...

I'd take Shimatoree or Cure the Blues in a match race at 6 furlongs any day of the week.

Good stuff though....

At 6 furlongs I would take Jones Time Machine.

At 7 furlongs A Phenomenon

[Cannon Shell]

While the 4 turf fillies all obviously belong, April Run is a forgotten filly who was tremendous in her US starts. Her connections almost never bothered to run against fillies.

Also forgotten is the 3 yo campaign of filly De La Rose who lost at least twice because of poor rides. After a sluggish start of the season on the dirt in FL, she just missed to her stable mate in the KY Oaks. Once switched to the turf she won an alw over boys easily, the Saranac(G2) (then run at Belmont) over boys by 6, the Long Branch (gr3)(then run on turf)by 8, followed by a debacle in the CCA, then a bad ride 2nd against colts in the Lexington (gr2). She then beat older mares in the Diana, ran 2nd in the Flower Bowl with another bad ride, won an overnight stakes, the Athenia(gr3) easily, the EP Taylor over older mares handily and finished up the season with a win in the Hollywood derby(Gr1) over colts again.

Sunshine Forever's three year old season was great but he gets forgotten because he stunk as a 4 yo and as a sire.
As a 3 yo he:
Broke his maiden on April 25th
won an allowance race
ran 2nd in the Saranac (Gr2) to Posen with a troubled trip
won another allowance race
Won the Hill Prince (Gr 3)by 6
Won the Lexington (gr2)
Ran 2nd to olders in the Sword Dancer (gr1)
Ran 3rd in the AP million (gr1) (at Woodbine)
Won the Man O War (gr1) over olders (gr1)
Won the Turf Classic (gr1) over olders by 4
Won the DC International over olders (gr1)
Ran 2nd beaten less than a length by Great Communicator in the BC Turf.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Based on past performances I've studied and some old charts I've seen and old races I've watched - I thought I'd take a stab this morning.


2-year-old male: Easy Goer - Devil's Bag - Chief's Crown - Grand Canyon

2-year-old female: Princess Rooney - Landaluce - Before Dawn - Althea

3-year-old male: Sunday Silence - Easy Goer - Spend A Buck - Conquistador Cielo

3-year-old female: Winning Colors - Genuine Risk - Mom's Command - Bold N' Determined

Older male: Spectacular Bid - Alysheba - Ferdinand - Turkoman

Older female: Personal Ensign, Lady's Secret, Princess Rooney, Bayakoa

Turf male: John Henry, Manila, Theatrical, Steinlen

Turf female: Miesque, All Along, Pebbles, Royal Heroine

Sprint male: Groovy, Precisonist, Phone Trick, Smile

Sprint female: Gold Beauty, Very Subtle, Safely Kept, Pine Tree Lane


Feel free to argue or agree. I'd be interested in hearing takes from people who were around and betting or in the industry through that time.

I dont know if Smile was as good a sprinter as Chinook Pass.

[MISTERGEE]

How does this sprinter match up, Eillo ran in 83 & 84

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Older male, Greinton most certainly was a better horse than Ferdinand. I'd say the same for Precisionist as well.

On pure raw talent, I'd put Swear in the 2yos.

I agree with you about Greinton and Precisionist. I think they were both much better horses than Ferdinand.

And what about John Henry? Even though he ran more often on the grass, he was just as good on the dirt as the grass. He was a much better horse than Ferdinand.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I agree with you about Greinton and Precisionist. I think they were both much better horses than Ferdinand.

And what about John Henry? Even though he ran more often on the grass, he was just as good on the dirt as the grass. He was a much better horse than Ferdinand.

Yep.

Ferdinand is one of those horses that is historically underrated, but yeah, there were better ones in the 80's than him.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

On the Line, I'd to this day still rate him as one fo the best five sprinters I've ever seen. Perhaps top three.

How do you think Melair would have compared with the other female sprinters?

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

How bout Gulch?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by miraja2

It is hard to argue against any of these but given the emphasis put on the Kentucky Derby for 3yos l I think I would give the edge to a Derby winner like Alysheba over CC in a close call like this one.

I was thinking either CC or Risen Star for the 4th spot. Alysheba was 3-for-10 at age 3 .. with a couple of real dud performances in the Belmont and Travers.

CC ran giant in the Met Mile - crush Silver Charm's sire Silver Buck who came right back and took a couple of Gr 1's for olders in the Suburban and a Whitney win over Winter's Tale.

Just six days after winning the Met by 7+ lengths in a field of 14 - CC wins the Belmont by 14 lengths over a last out Ky Derby winner in a field of 11.

CC did lose the Travers at 2/5 - but Beyer claimed in one of his books that there was a dead rail at Saratoga that day - and he was stuck on it thanks to Cordero pinning him on Aloma's Ruler. I think if you can forgive the Travers effort - he's maybe even 3rd to Spend a Buck.