The envelope, please

[my miss storm cat]

Who, in your opinion, wins the award for...

Most overrated horse of the year?

Underrated?

Most overrated jock of the year?

Underrated?

[Port Conway Lane]

Deja Vu !
I think the first criteria is who is doing the rating.
So depending on who is rating the horse to begin with the answer will vary.
To play it safe I'll say Zenyatta is both the most over rated and under rated horse.

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane

Deja Vu !
I think the first criteria is who is doing the rating.
So depending on who is rating the horse to begin with the answer will vary.
To play it safe I'll say Zenyatta is both the most over rated and under rated horse.

you know what?


you are right, i agree!

[ateamstupid]

How the flying hell is Zenyatta underrated? And don't give me the straw man argument that people who don't worship her totally always say that she sucks and she's a rat and a big doodiehead.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Who, in your opinion, wins the award for...

Most overrated horse of the year?

Underrated?

Most overrated jock of the year?

Underrated?

Overrated horse - Quality Road, honorable mention Sidney's Candy
Underrated horse - Majesticperfection
Overrated jockey - Jose Lezcano/Calvin Borel outside of CD
Underrated - Joel Rosario

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Overrated horse - Quality Road, honorable mention Sidney's Candy
Underrated horse - Majesticperfection
Overrated jockey - Jose Lezcano/Calvin Borel outside of CD
Underrated - Joel Rosario

This is a pretty horrible list. Quality Road had the best year of any older male in the country other then Blame. A nose seperated them at Toga. Sidneys Candy was 5-1 in his BC race and was a total freak today. He is the goods, not sure who made him out to be that much better then he is.
Who said Lezcano was good? Borel won the Derby. Saying outside of CD is not fair, its his home track, he has made a career there.
Majesticperfection is the best sprinter we had and still could win the Eclipse. He has been hurt for 6 months, why should anyone talk about him now? I dont think many people would say Big Drama is better then him, because he is not. MP was the best sprinter this year hands down, and I have not heard read much different. I have never heard anyone say he stinks or talk him down. Rosario is the best jockey in California, who in the past few years has said other?

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Rare Bog

ENVELOPE #4
HOOVERS-BREAST PUMPS-JOCKIES... hovers-breast pumps- jockies
Name three things will that always suck

Okay that was actually a good one.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

This is a pretty horrible list

Ummm... NTamm is the only one who answered the questions!

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Rare Bog

Obviously you don't read too well.... I answered the questions dimwit.

Fair enough. I just meant he answered them without putting his own spin on them... straighforward.

Alright though, you answered too. No need to act like a prima donna.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Rare Bog

Figures you'd like it.... it was by far the worst one.

Well considering I'm a dimwit? Yes, it figures.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Sidneys Candy was 5-1 in his BC race

Therefore he's not overrated. Well done.

[munster705]

Overrated Horse -- Zenyatta -- Went up against 1 solid field all year and lost.

Underrated Horse -- Goldikova -- The BEST horse we have seen in a long time and she does not get the limelight and media that she deserves on this side of the pond.

Overrated Jockey -- Ramon Dominguez -- Rides a lot fo good horses in NY, but does not do much in the big ones

Underrated Jockey -- Calvin Borel -- Obviously rides big on the biggest stages. He would never be mentioned in any conversation regarding best jockeys

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by munster705

Overrated Horse -- Zenyatta -- Went up against 1 solid field all year and lost.

Underrated Horse -- Goldikova -- The BEST horse we have seen in a long time and she does not get the limelight and media that she deserves on this side of the pond.

Overrated Jockey -- Ramon Dominguez -- Rides a lot fo good horses in NY, but does not do much in the big ones

Underrated Jockey -- Calvin Borel -- Obviously rides big on the biggest stages. He would never be mentioned in any conversation regarding best jockeys

Is this Gales? If not are you a member of that PBKC?

[munster705]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Is this Gales? If not are you a member of that PBKC?

I don't know what you are talking about....just a horse racing fan with an opinion

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by munster705

I don't know what you are talking about....just a horse racing fan with an opinion

There is someone else on this board (who has actually been absent for a while) who seems to have a personal grudge with Ramon. Any time Ramon gives a poor ride, he is here huffing and puffing about him being over rated. Then he goes on a rampage about the lack of wins that Ramon has on big days.

I think the guy is very talented. Obviously he gets good mounts in NY and that helps. But what about some of the bad mounts that he seems to get in many of the big races and then gets ragged on for not winning with them?

[munster705]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

There is someone else on this board (who has actually been absent for a while) who seems to have a personal grudge with Ramon. Any time Ramon gives a poor ride, he is here huffing and puffing about him being over rated. Then he goes on a rampage about the lack of wins that Ramon has on big days.

I think the guy is very talented. Obviously he gets good mounts in NY and that helps. But what about some of the bad mounts that he seems to get in many of the big races and then gets ragged on for not winning with them?

I think he is good too, but I feel that he should have better finishes on the biggest days to be truely great. He kills NY racing because the fields are weak and he gets a ton a good mounts, kind of like Russell Baze on the west coast. I just think he needs to win a Derby or on Breeder's Cup days more often to be one of the greats

[Dahoss]

I actually think Dominguez is underrated. He schools a pretty good colony in NY on a daily basis.

Borel is the most overrated jockey I have seen in a while.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by munster705

I think he is good too, but I feel that he should have better finishes on the biggest days to be truely great. He kills NY racing because the fields are weak and he gets a ton a good mounts, kind of like Russell Baze on the west coast. I just think he needs to win a Derby or on Breeder's Cup days more often to be one of the greats

What about Belmont and Saratoga?

I just think it's silly to say that a guy who has won numerous and consecutive riding titles on arguably the most competitve circuit in the country needs to win a Derby (or another big race) to justify him being a great rider. So all the other races he's won during the year mean nothing because he didn't win one of approximately fifteen other races that he was entered in? Seems a bit ridiculous.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

What about Belmont and Saratoga?

I just think it's silly to say that a guy who has won numerous and consecutive riding titles on arguably the most competitve circuit in the country needs to win a Derby (or another big race) to justify him being a great rider. So all the other races he's won during the year mean nothing because he didn't win one of approximately fifteen other races that he was entered in? Seems a bit ridiculous.

You mean the Russell Baze comparison wasn't a good example?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You mean the Russell Baze comparison wasn't a good example?

He's obviously done much more on big stages than Baze, but I can see where the comparison comes from with him staying in NY all winter getting just about every live mount rather than going to Gulfstream to ride against real competition.