Point Determined

[largo1]

Didn't see the race yet,,,,,I'm guessing he *did not* like the turf?? Either that or something bad happened. Anyone know the scoop? I just see that he finished 9th of 9.

[Scav]

Didn't lift a hoof

[largo1]

Thanks, Scav. Guess it was worth a shot!!

He's not bred to get grass...just isn't..

[Rupert Pupkin]

I'm not a fan of PD to begin with, but as I said in my post the other day, he didn't figure to run well on the grass at all. A horse needs to have a quick turn of foot to compete on the grass. PD doesn't have a quick turn of foot. On a turf course like Del Mar or Hollywood, they will often run the last 1/8th of a mile in :11 or so. PD just can't come home like that.

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

He's not bred to get grass...just isn't..

PD>PG>Thunder Gulch>Gulch>Mr.P....I don't remember Mr. P on the track, and I don't recall any of this line ever even running on the weeds.

[Danzig]

he finished last?! bet they don't try that again!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Slewbopper

PD>PG>Thunder Gulch>Gulch>Mr.P....I don't remember Mr. P on the track, and I don't recall any of this line ever even running on the weeds.

there are a few thunder gulchs who have run on turf, but it doesn't seem to be a pedigree that would scream 'turf' at you! not that that really matters--lots of supposed turf horses can't stand the stuff.

[cakes44]

Bob Baffert isn't exactly Frankel or Drysdale when it comes to training turf horses these days either.

[Pedigree Ann]

Gulch and Thunder Gulch have sired G1 winners on turf, however they needed turf-bred mares to do it. Point Given has a good turf runner in his first crop, Go Between, but that one is out of an Irish-bred (ie turf) mare by Caerleon. Point Determined's female side is all dirt.