Democrat Disgraceful Ploy

[dellinger63]

Harry Reed comes out as if this is a budget fight based on his wife's ability to get an abortion or his daughters or his grand-daughters.

Someone poke him and tell him all is still legal, just I (and all taxpayers) will no longer pay for them!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Harry Reed comes out as if this is a budget fight based on his wife's ability to get an abortion or his daughters or his grand-daughters.

Someone poke him and tell him all is still legal, just I (and all taxpayers) will no longer pay for them!

I guess you missed the part where the GOP is trying to tie anti-abortion riders to the budget bill.

Yes, it is exactly that, Dell. The GOP have tied all these ridiculous culture war riders on the budget bill. The government of the United States is going to shut down, with hundreds of thousands on furlough, not getting paid, because the idiot GOP doesn't want to fund mammograms and pap smears for women.

Secondly, as a taxpayer, you have NEVER paid for one abortion. Not. One.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I guess you missed the part where the GOP is trying to tie anti-abortion riders to the budget bill.

Yes, it is exactly that, Dell. The GOP have tied all these ridiculous culture war riders on the budget bill.

Secondly, as a taxpayer, you have NEVER paid for one abortion. Not. One.

They are not trying to put any anti-abortion law thru. It's all in the funding. And as a taxpayer I guarantee I and everyone else in Cook county IL has paid for an abortion unless the hospitals are hiding babies. Stop the Huffington crap, please.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

They are not trying to put any anti-abortion law thru. It's all in the funding. And as a taxpayer I guarantee I and everyone else in Cook county IL has paid for an abortion unless the hospitals are hiding babies. Stop the Huffington crap, please.

You are clueless about the numerous riders the GOP have put on the budget bills, what has come and gone, and what is left.

And no, your federal tax dollars have never paid for an abortion. Not. One.

Sorry - no "Huffington crap" here. Just WSJ, USA Today, major news outlets. Try it, rather than reading only RedState. You might learn something.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

You are clueless about the numerous riders the GOP have put on the budget bills, what has come and gone, and what is left.

And no, your federal tax dollars have never paid for an abortion. Not. One.

Sorry - no "Huffington crap" here. Just WSJ, USA Today, major news outlets. Try it, rather than reading only RedState. You might learn something.

who pays for abortions at Cook County Hospital aka Stroger Hospital. (It's located in Chicago IL) ??????

[dellinger63]

actually the clinic across the street and east?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

who pays for abortions at Cook County Hospital aka Stroger Hospital. (It's located in Chicago IL) ??????

Oh! Now you want FACTS!? What happened to your just assuming that the federal government illegally pays for them with your tax dollar?

And yes, Dell, I happen to know Cook Country Hospital

[Danzig]

[quote=Riot;767314]I guess you missed the part where the GOP is trying to tie anti-abortion riders to the budget bill.

Yes, it is exactly that, Dell. The GOP have tied all these ridiculous culture war riders on the budget bill. The government of the United States is going to shut down, with hundreds of thousands on furlough, not getting paid, because the idiot GOP doesn't want to fund mammograms and pap smears for women.

Secondly, as a taxpayer, you have NEVER paid for one abortion. Not. One.[/QUOTE]

i googled that.. there are limitations on federal funding for abortions, but there are instances where it is allowed (rape, incest, life of the mother). in fact, there has been state and federal money spent on abortion over the years. a drop in the bucket budget wise, but it's not true that it's never happened.


http://www.aclu.org/reproductive-fre...nding-abortion

[dellinger63]

Federal, State, County whatever. Taxpayers are funding abortions whether it be right or wrong it's happening. Maybe Soros can open a string of clinics as that would be his right!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i googled that.. there are limitations on federal funding for abortions, but there are instances where it is allowed (rape, incest, life of the mother). in fact, there has been state and federal money spent on abortion over the years. a drop in the bucket budget wise, but it's not true that it's never happened.


http://www.aclu.org/reproductive-fre...nding-abortion

Sorry - I was referring to the Republican budget rider defunding federal dollars for Planned Parenthood in the name of "preventing abortion" - which is a nonsensical falsehood, as no federal funds go to abortion at Planned Parenthood.

Yes, Medicaid can cover some medical abortions, so yes, federal Medicaid dollars can indeed rarely go to some abortions, that is correct, and a good point.

But no, no federal tax dollars go to elective abortions at Planned Parenthood and similar clinics, and no, they do not go to "routine" elective abortions at all. The statement "I'm tired of funding them" doesn't hold up.

Was not talking about state tax dollars, just federal dollars.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Federal, State, County whatever. Taxpayers are funding abortions whether it be right or wrong it's happening. Maybe Soros can open a string of clinics as that would be his right!

Well no, we are not talking "federal, state, county, whatever", we are talking specifically about today, about the GOP holding up approving a budget, and shutting down our government, because they want a rider to defund Planned Parenthood to prevent federal dollars going to abortion there.

That is completely bogus, as federal dollars do NOT fund abortion at Planned Parenthood, that is illegal.

Dell, you laughed at Harry Reid, and called it a "disgraceful Democratic ploy", yet he's precisely correct. That is exactly what the budget fight is about tonight, right now. The Republicans are inserting yet another one of their culture war riders into an emergency government funding bill.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well no, we are not talking "federal, state, county, whatever", we are talking specifically about today, about the GOP holding up approving a budget, and shutting down our government, because they want a rider to defund Planned Parenthood to prevent federal dollars going to abortion there.

That is completely bogus, as federal dollars do NOT fund abortion at Planned Parenthood, that is illegal.

Dell, you laughed at Harry Reid, and called it a "disgraceful Democratic ploy", yet he's precisely correct. That is exactly what the budget fight is about tonight, right now. The Republicans are inserting yet another one of their culture war riders into an emergency government funding bill.

Can't Soros and Hollywood hold a fundraiser and cover the shortfall of condoms and BC pills?

BTW the GOP isn't asking for citizens to be armed if they can't afford to do so on their own.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well no, we are not talking "federal, state, county, whatever", we are talking specifically about today, about the GOP holding up approving a budget, and shutting down our government, because they want a rider to defund Planned Parenthood to prevent federal dollars going to abortion there.

That is completely bogus, as federal dollars do NOT fund abortion at Planned Parenthood, that is illegal.

Dell, you laughed at Harry Reid, and called it a "disgraceful Democratic ploy", yet he's precisely correct. That is exactly what the budget fight is about tonight, right now. The Republicans are inserting yet another one of their culture war riders into an emergency government funding bill.

Planned Parenthood now has 800 health centers in the United States. The most controversial services are their in-clinic abortions and emergency contraception services. But the organization also offers breast exams, cervical cancer screening and vaccines for sexually transmitted diseases.

Just sayin

[dellinger63]

absolutely sickening!!!!!!


Rep. Louise Slaughter, a New York Democrat, compared Republican efforts to revoke taxpayer funding for the Planned Parenthood abortion business to actions taken by the Nazi regime in Germany during World War II.



http://www.lifenews.com/2011/04/08/d...to-kill-women/

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Planned Parenthood now has 800 health centers in the United States. The most controversial services are their in-clinic abortions and emergency contraception services. But the organization also offers breast exams, cervical cancer screening and vaccines for sexually transmitted diseases.

Just sayin

Yes, they provide abortion services. Abortion counts for a monstrous 3% of all the services they provide in a calendar year.

While federal money is not going to pay for those abortions, the GOP rallying cry is "funds are fungible! They will wind up paying for abortion one way or another!"

Let's just say that were happening. I'll be a fun guy and just concede that for the sake of this argument, even if I don't believe it. If the GOP were really, truly concerned about that, then the genuine proposal to make would be to cut Planned Parenthood's funding by 3%, that way, if the money were fungible as claimed, that 3% would no longer exist, and Planned Parenthood would naturally have to take the hit for any financial shortfalls that came about from the abortion services they provide.

But that'd be a honest proposal, a word that I know is damn near impossible for any rank and file GOP'er to find themselves capable of dealing in when it comes to talking about vaginas and anything that happens in, near, or around them. So, yes, let's just throw all women's reproductive healthcare under the bus (particularly affecting poor women and women of color), so that we can try to win an ideological fight over abortion.

Willing to sacrifice women's health to score points? Yep, sounds pretty in line for the GOP.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Planned Parenthood now has 800 health centers in the United States. The most controversial services are their in-clinic abortions and emergency contraception services. But the organization also offers breast exams, cervical cancer screening and vaccines for sexually transmitted diseases.

Just sayin

Duh.

Yes, Dell. But do your tax dollars go to pay for the abortion part? No. They don't. That's illegal.

Just sayin'

Duh.

The GOP cutting funding for Planned Parenthood means women don't get examined for cervical cancer, don't get mammograms, don't get contraceptives. Smart guys, that GOP!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Duh.

The GOP cutting funding for Planned Parenthood means women don't get examined for cervical cancer, don't get mammograms, don't get contraceptives. Smart guys, that GOP!

I thought everyone (women included) will be forced to get health insurance under Obamacare? Surely with all the regulations Barry has attatched Paps smears and mammograms will be included no? Not sure there will even be a need for Planned Parenthood in the near future.

[dellinger63]

BTW Why do Dems feel PBS needs to be fed funded? If it can't stand on its own it needs to go.

Also wish the Tea Party would wake up and realize in this modern age of online billing and email there is little need for a Post Office and the money saved by shutting that down would be huge! Not to mention the reduction in emissions coming from all of their vehicles and the vacant property that could be sold or leased out.

$75 Billion yearly budget
218,000 vehicles
36,400 Post Offices some of them huge buildings. Not to metion sorting and distribution centers.
596,000 employees and their future pensions and benis.

Huge money!

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

BTW Why do Dems feel PBS needs to be fed funded? If it can't stand on its own it needs to go.

Also wish the Tea Party would wake up and realize in this modern age of online billing and email there is little need for a Post Office and the money saved by shutting that down would be huge! Not to mention the reduction in emissions coming from all of their vehicles and the vacant property that could be sold or leased out.

$75 Billion yearly budget
218,000 vehicles
36,400 Post Offices some of them huge buildings. Not to metion sorting and distribution centers.
596,000 employees and their future pensions and benis.

Huge money!

So those 600,000 people that would now be jobless and collecting unemployment doesn't bother you? Oh yeah..it would would make the unemployment % so that's a good thing because the righties could bitch about that again

[Danzig]

i'd rather pay the unemployment benefits to unnecessary govt workers than keep them on the payroll. not a good argument for keeping agencies bloated, or for failing to cut military spending because senators and reps are all for cutting until its the base in their state/district. we all recognize that things have to cut-now it's time to take a deep breath and begin the amputations. we can't afford sacred cows, we can't afford to keep doing what we're doing.