Obama's budget speech

[Riot]

On C-Span 3 right now.

Well, no denying, he's gone all progressive and class warfare on the Republicans! Yikes! Way to rally your base!

"I refuse to renew the Bush tax cuts".

Eliminate tax loopholes for wealthy and corporates.

The Republicans' heads are gonna explode. The two parties are so far apart, idealogically. He's certainly outlining Democratic principles far more strongly than he has done recently.

[paulo537]

Originally Posted by Riot

On C-Span 3 right now.

Well, no denying, he's gone all progressive and class warfare on the Republicans! Yikes! Way to rally your base!

"I refuse to renew the Bush tax cuts".

Eliminate tax loopholes for wealthy and corporates.

The Republicans' heads are gonna explode. The two parties are so far apart, idealogically. He's certainly outlining Democratic principles far more strongly than he has done recently.

It's all bullsh1t. He's done a fairly lousy job and now he's back to campaigning. You'll hear him use Bush's name a lot more now; blaming his lack of leadership on what he "inherited."

What you wont hear is any talk about his health care "accomplishments" which was a total piece of sh1t legislation. He could have gotten just about anything through in the first 500 days but he sold out for the quick and easy score.

He's going back to the base because he's polling lousy in the middle and he lacks political courage. If he had any stones, he'd have proposed spending cuts of 2x what went through last week on top of his tax increase proposals.

No doubt he is saving the modest improvements in the economy and unemployment and the stock market recovery as his appeal to the independents for next year.

His speech was empty rhetorc. If he was going to end the Bush cuts, he'd have fought for it when he actually could have gotten it passed, not now.

[Riot]

That's a nice bunch of "I don't like Obama" whining. It doesn't sound like you listened to the speech yourself (or you missed the several parts where he did discuss the value of the health care act and what it does for Medicare, etc). What did you think of the substance? For example, what do you think of the Bush tax cuts expiring?

[Antitrust32]

Didnt obama just renew them? He should definately not be calling them the Bush tax cuts anymore.


And whats the deal with you not liking the word ObamaCare but using the words "Bush Tax Cuts" over and over. its the same thing.

[joeydb]

From Drudgereport:

"Obama calls new taxes 'spending reductions in the tax code'"

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/0...t/?mod=WSJBlog

Obviously, Obama reads Riot's rantings where "taxes are income" and "tax breaks are spending". Bass ackwards, par for the liberal course.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

From Drudgereport:

"Obama calls new taxes 'spending reductions in the tax code'"

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/0...t/?mod=WSJBlog

Obviously, Obama reads Riot's rantings where "taxes are income" and "tax breaks are spending". Bass ackwards, par for the liberal course.

And the "moderate Republican" course, too, btw (although those are now called "independents")

As a result of these bipartisan efforts, America’s finances were in great shape by the year 2000. We went from deficit to surplus. America was actually on track to becoming completely debt-free, and we were prepared for the retirement of the Baby Boomers.

But after Democrats and Republicans committed to fiscal discipline during the 1990s, we lost our way in the decade that followed. We increased spending dramatically for two wars and an expensive prescription drug program – but we didn’t pay for any of this new spending. Instead, we made the problem worse with trillions of dollars in unpaid-for tax cuts – tax cuts that went to every millionaire and billionaire in the country; tax cuts that will force us to borrow an average of $500 billion every year over the next decade.

To give you an idea of how much damage this caused to our national checkbook, consider this: in the last decade, if we had simply found a way to pay for the tax cuts and the prescription drug benefit, our deficit would currently be at low historical levels in the coming years.

The two political parties are the furthest apart, idealogically, they've been in some time. Obama clearly delineated the Democratic principles. The Republicans today have doubled-down on the Ryan plan, and are rushing to pass it through the House (although clearly it could never pass the Senate). It's a clear choice voters can make.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

From Drudgereport:

"Obama calls new taxes 'spending reductions in the tax code'"

Here's that exact quote Drudge is talking about:

The fourth step in our approach is to reduce spending in the tax code. In December, I agreed to extend the tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans because it was the only way I could prevent a tax hike on middle-class Americans. But we cannot afford $1 trillion worth of tax cuts for every millionaire and billionaire in our society. And I refuse to renew them again.

Beyond that, the tax code is also loaded up with spending on things like itemized deductions. And while I agree with the goals of many of these deductions, like homeownership or charitable giving, we cannot ignore the fact that they provide millionaires an average tax break of $75,000 while doing nothing for the typical middle-class family that doesn’t itemize.

My budget calls for limiting itemized deductions for the wealthiest 2% of Americans – a reform that would reduce the deficit by $320 billion over ten years. But to reduce the deficit, I believe we should go further. That’s why I’m calling on Congress to reform our individual tax code so that it is fair and simple – so that the amount of taxes you pay isn’t determined by what kind of accountant you can afford. I believe reform should protect the middle class, promote economic growth, and build on the Fiscal Commission’s model of reducing tax expenditures so that there is enough savings to both lower rates and lower the deficit. And as I called for in the State of the Union, we should reform our corporate tax code as well, to make our businesses and our economy more competitive.

Both lower all tax rates and lower the deficit by eliminating loopholes and instituting a fairer tax system? Yeah. I like that.

[brianwspencer]

All well and good to say...until it comes up and gets debated and the GOP counts on him to cave into almost everything they want (which is a sure thing, like he always does), and it'll wind up looking just like Ryan's plan when they're done having their way with him yet again.

Color me unimpressed.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

All well and good to say...until it comes up and gets debated and the GOP counts on him to cave into almost everything they want (which is a sure thing, like he always does), and it'll wind up looking just like Ryan's plan when they're done having their way with him yet again.

Color me unimpressed.

there's still hope for you yet Brian

Oh and apparently the VP wasn't that impressed either

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video...peech-13367372

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

On C-Span 3 right now.

Well, no denying, he's gone all progressive and class warfare on the Republicans! Yikes! Way to rally your base!

"I refuse to renew the Bush tax cuts".

Eliminate tax loopholes for wealthy and corporates.

The Republicans' heads are gonna explode. The two parties are so far apart, idealogically. He's certainly outlining Democratic principles far more strongly than he has done recently.

what about the wars? or are we all home? What about gay marriage? What about Gitmo? When do we all get Obamacare?

We have $4 dollar soon to be $5 dollar/gal gas, he wants to tax big corps but GAVE tax money to GM? Freddie, Fannie and foreign banks? Cash for clunkers? Unemployment still the same. And what does he have in his hand? Pure bluff!

Tax EVERYONE,!!!!! no exceptions or write-offs at 30% and see who cries!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by geeker2

there's still hope for you yet Brian

Ha, unfortunately, Obama's lack of spine probably won't push me in the direction that would make you consider me a "success."

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

what about the wars? or are we all home? What about gay marriage? What about Gitmo? When do we all get Obamacare?

We have $4 dollar soon to be $5 dollar/gal gas, he wants to tax big corps but GAVE tax money to GM? Freddie, Fannie and foreign banks? Cash for clunkers? Unemployment still the same. And what does he have in his hand? Pure bluff!

Tax EVERYONE,!!!!! no exceptions or write-offs at 30% and see who cries!

we'll have $5/gal gas summer of 2012 just in time for the election. but this summer gas will cost less memorial day than it does on easter. see if i'm wrong.

and btw: "$5 dollar" is as redundant as reading your posts after watching fox.

[paulo537]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's a nice bunch of "I don't like Obama" whining. It doesn't sound like you listened to the speech yourself (or you missed the several parts where he did discuss the value of the health care act and what it does for Medicare, etc). What did you think of the substance? For example, what do you think of the Bush tax cuts expiring?

I read the transcript of the speech; don't have the time to listen for 30 minutes.

I voted for the Obama. He's been a massive disappointment.

1. The value of the health care act is negligible. Look he could have gotten anything passed last year, including several components of HC that actually would have slowed the growth of cost. But he was too much of a coward.

2. Ain't noone serious about chaqnging medicare drastically. Increasing cost sharing for beneficiaries is probably appropriate.

The Dems are gunna run on the "GOP wants to take away your Medicare" now. You heard that I'm sure.

3. Obama's time to change taxes has passed. It is now re-election time.

Only the most far-left are happy with Obama and willing to defend him like you.

The rest of us see him for what he is; a pretty smart and lucky guy who has a great political machine but who is an absolute coward as a sitting president.

Too bad.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Ha, unfortunately, Obama's lack of spine probably won't push me in the direction that would make you consider me a "success."

We met at the Bcup at SA when GBBob hit that longshot in the marathon...You're AOK and love horse racing - we can co-exist

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

we'll have $5/gal gas summer of 2012 just in time for the election. but this summer gas will cost less memorial day than it does on easter. see if i'm wrong.

and btw: "$5 dollar" is as redundant as reading your posts after watching fox.

Maybe one day it won't be so redundant and we will start harvesting our own oil. To think of the green house gases that would be saved if oil was pumped, refined and transported via pipe here instead of shipping it over from half way around the world. Not to mention the benefit of no longer supporting our Muslim enemies. Works for both sides of the aisle so why the infinite delay?

[timmgirvan]

Drudge headline: Obama speech "most dishonest" in decades!

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by paulo537

I read the transcript of the speech; don't have the time to listen for 30 minutes.

I voted for the Obama. He's been a massive disappointment.

1. The value of the health care act is negligible. Look he could have gotten anything passed last year, including several components of HC that actually would have slowed the growth of cost. But he was too much of a coward.

2. Ain't noone serious about chaqnging medicare drastically. Increasing cost sharing for beneficiaries is probably appropriate.

The Dems are gunna run on the "GOP wants to take away your Medicare" now. You heard that I'm sure.

3. Obama's time to change taxes has passed. It is now re-election time.

Only the most far-left are happy with Obama and willing to defend him like you.

The rest of us see him for what he is; a pretty smart and lucky guy who has a great political machine but who is an absolute coward as a sitting president.

Too bad.

Really wish folks would get a grip and quit with the GOP soundbites, President Obama is middle of the road not far left....I'm what folks call far left and I'm not one bit happy with his pandering to the right!!

[jms62]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Drudge headline: Obama speech "most dishonest" in decades!

I see "PAPER: OBAMA SPEECH 'DISHONEST'..." which links to a freakin Op-Ed piece. Can you provide a link to the the "Most Dishonest in Decades!" or is that you embellishing a bit? Also another question I am really curious about. You mentioned previously that you collected SSI. I'm trying to understand how someone collecting an entitlement would side with the party that wants to eliminate entitlements. I can't wrap my arms around that.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

Also another question I am really curious about. You mentioned previously that you collected SSI. I'm trying to understand how someone collecting an entitlement would side with the party that wants to eliminate entitlements. I can't wrap my arms around that.

I believe it's called having a conscience.

As in you know you are taking someone else's money but do so for survival.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I believe it's called having a conscience.

As in you know you are taking someone else's money but do so for survival.

Is it just cut entitlements that I don't get kind of thing?