They should review some old DRF's on this one...

[Calzone Lord]

http://www.drf.com/news/laurel-rapid...cord-wins-year

The 5-year-old Rapid Redux, trained by David Wells and owned by Robert Cole, will go for his 19th win of 2011 in Tuesday’s sixth race at Laurel, a starter allowance for horses who have run for a claiming price of $5,000 or less the past two seasons. The 1 1/16-mile race drew six other runners, including Zosogood, a winner of three straight races at Monmouth Park since mid-October.

As part of his Triple Crown campaign in 1948, Citation won 19 races, matching the single-season total by the Hall of Famer Roseben as a 4-year-old in 1905. Rapid Redux can tie that post 19th-century mark for a Thoroughbred based in the continental United States.

Donald Macdonald won 22 races in 1913 ... and as far as I can tell .. Palmetto, Charleston, Belmont, Pimlico, Havre De Grace, and Laurel are all tracks in the continental United Stakes.





Found this pretty interesting:







A young Warren Buffet would send away to Chicago and have stacks and stacks of old DRF's sent to him so he could handicap races from all over and test methods ... than go the next issue and see what happened in the result charts. Think of how incredibly psychotic and wasteful of time something like that is in the Pre-Internet era?

I think he became the richest man in the world for a short stint ... so if it was good enough for him in his teenage years ... the process wouldn't hurt anyone else in a time when technology has made it thousands of times easier, less psychotic, and FAR less wasteful of time.

[cmorioles]

I went through the same thing with a guy on Bloodhorse that wrote the same basic article today.

In other news related to the race, lets see if we can guess which horses will be bought out...errrrr...scratch out.

[RockHardTen1985]

Doug send an email or make a call. Im sure you know someone who knows someone. This seems pretty clear cut and it should be recognized.

[Indian Charlie]

Did that bottom horse in the list really have 340 lifetime starts at the time of printing?

[Calzone Lord]

'6991' was his first race of the year 1913 - a column and result chart both confirmed this...



So his 1913 record is 5-4-0-0 at this point.






11-9-0-0 in 1913 at this point.






21-13-5-1 in 1913 at this point.



* This following past performance cut was taken from a race at Havre De Grace on Sept 28th 1913



28-17-8-1 in 1913 at this point.

[Calzone Lord]

* He would win this Sept 28th race at Havre De Grace to move to 29-18-8-1 at this point of the year in 1913.






This is the first cut of his past performances that can be found available on the Internet in the year 1914:







It's very clear that he raced at the following tracks in 1913:

* Palmetto Park in Charleston South Carolina. From there to Havre De Grace - a famous old Maryland track. From there to Pimlico. From there to Belmont Park. From there one stop at Saratoga. From there back to Havre De Grace. And Laurel for the winter. All United States racetracks.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I went through the same thing with a guy on Bloodhorse that wrote the same basic article today.

In other news related to the race, lets see if we can guess which horses will be bought out...errrrr...scratch out.

No Brakes...doesn't Sancuk train for Cole? On another note Derwin's Prospector looks like a real threat in there.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

No Brakes...doesn't Sancuk train for Cole? On another note Derwin's Prospector looks like a real threat in there.

No Brakes can win that race. I would play that pick 3 because the 2 races after it are decent allowance races. If it stays together, meaning no scratches Ill play No Brakes.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

No Brakes...doesn't Sancuk train for Cole? On another note Derwin's Prospector looks like a real threat in there.

I'm sure he was just entered to make the race fill. He won't run. You guys do realize the cash and horses are changing hands to keep this ridiculous streak going, right?

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I'm sure he was just entered to make the race fill. He won't run. You guys do realize the cash and horses are changing hands to keep this ridiculous streak going, right?

That was my point with No Brakes. The Frock horse...well I'm sure you can read the PPs.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I'm sure he was just entered to make the race fill. He won't run. You guys do realize the cash and horses are changing hands to keep this ridiculous streak going, right?

If thats true its bullshit. Plus who cares about this anyway, I really dont. Starter allowance crap.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

If thats true its bullshit. Plus who cares about this anyway, I really dont. Starter allowance crap.

Apparently, people at all the media outlets care as they printing these stupid stories.

[hockey2315]

We called up the Jockey Club today to confirm Donald Macdonald's record. . . they looked it up and, low and behold, Doug got it right. . .

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Apparently, people at all the media outlets care as they printing these stupid stories.

I know. Its actually sad that this is the biggest story in racing.

[cmorioles]

The guy from Bloodhorse keeps telling me some of the wins in 1913 were in Mexico and at least one in Canada, but I don't see it looking at those PPs.

[Calzone Lord]

The guy from the Blood-Horse doesn't know what he's talking about. Donald Macdonald's last race that I can find on the DRF Archives was a 4th place finish as a 12-year-old in the 6th race at Havana Cuba on March 16th 1918. Perhaps he's looking at his final 22 wins and not his 1913 races.

In those days - they did not put the actual date in the Daily Racing Form past performances - they put index numbers in the place of the dates.

Races with index numbers 6,807 Through index numbers 12,943 occured in the year 1913.

His first win of the year 1913 was race "6991" - it was the 5th race on Jan 29th of 1913. Here is a chart of the first race on that card...



6987 is race 1, 6988 is race 2, 6989 is race 3, 6990 is race 4, 6991 is race 5 and so on.

Here's a chart of one of his wins ... this was the 3rd race at Havre De Grace on Sept 15th of 1913.



In those days - the serious handicappers would buy monthly chart books - and the charts were in numerical order.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

The guy from the Blood-Horse doesn't know what he's talking about.

I know. I tried, but he is adamant. Not much else I can do. I directed him to read this thread, but I don't think he has signed up.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I know. I tried, but he is adamant. Not much else I can do. I directed him to read this thread, but I don't think he has signed up.

Maybe he thinks Havre De Grace is a French Canadian track and Palmetto Park is in Mexico.

HdG was where Citation debuted at age 2 and where he suffered his only defeat at age 3. Palmetto was like the Gulfstream Park of the mid 1910's.

Jon White made a couple of great points when he wrote...

As someone with a deep appreciation of horse racing’s history and records, I find it frustrating from time to discover something being purported to be a record in horse racing actually is not.

According to the 2011 Directory & Record Book published by the Thoroughbred Racing Associations (TRA), Citation holds the North American racing record for races won in one year, 19 in 1948.

But once Rapid Redux reached 18 wins this year, I began to wonder if the TRA Directory & Record Book really has it right. I think you can understand my skepticism. It stems largely from the fact that the TRA’s 2011 Directory & Record Book also states that Kincsem, with 54 victories from 54 starts, holds the “North American record” for consecutive wins in a career by a horse.

But how can Kincsem hold a “North American record” when she never once raced in North America? Kincsem raced in Germany, Hungary, Austria, England and France.

and

Why is there something of a lack of clarity regarding an important record like most wins by a Thoroughbred in North America in one year? To a large extent it’s because horse racing’s record keeping too often is inferior when compared to the sports that utilize the Elias Sports Bureau. If you follow pro baseball, football or basketball, you probably have heard of the Elias Sports Bureau.

[Sightseek]

Anyone know if parts of the old Havre De Grace track still stand?

There is some pretty cool information about Narragansette Park on the web, for example, this documentry. (A bit of trivia too, Gansette was the first track to use the starting gate and photo finish)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueFbT3L7Yzw

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Did that bottom horse in the list really have 340 lifetime starts at the time of printing?

It says he was 7 at the time. If he started at 2 that would be an average of 63 starts a year. The Sugar Ray Robinson of horses.