pearl harbor day

[Danzig]

71st anniversary.

the u.s. presumed there would be a japanese attack, but not at pearl. japan surprised everyone, and 'woke a sleeping giant'.

[bigrun]

Remember Pearl Harbor..

http://my.execpc.com/~dschaaf/songnew.html

http://my.execpc.com/~dschaaf/mainmenu.html

[Danzig]

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history

[cal828]

My grandson Jack's birthday. 11 years old today. Even I can't forget this one.

[dellinger63]

I fear if it were repeated today we'd broker a deal to pay Japan not to do it again.

Or wait for direction from the UN?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I fear if it were repeated today we'd broker a deal to pay Japan not to do it again.

Or wait for direction from the UN?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98uC5INH5n4

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by jms62

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98uC5INH5n4

..Poifeck

[bigrun]

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98uC5INH5n4

Or maybe we'd follow the path set when our sovereign ground in Libya was attacked and jail the relatives of the guy who made Godzilla.

We gone from waking a giant to waking a giant pussey.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98uC5INH5n4

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Or maybe we'd follow the path set when our sovereign ground in Libya was attacked and jail the relatives of the guy who made Godzilla.

We gone from waking a giant to waking a giant pussey.

Then move or start another thread but for **** sake don't hijack every god damn thread with you constant whining. This thread was in memory of Pearl harbor until you made it about YOU and your hatred for everything not Republican. You are truly the YING to RIOTS YANG.

[cal828]

If it happened today, the CIA wouldn't be able to tell us who did it or the perpetrators would be declared classified information. Congress would "investigate" it with a great deal of pontificating on both sides which would end with no conclusions as to what we should do. Corporations would decide that Japan was probably going to win the war so they'd start moving factories there.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by cal828

If it happened today, the CIA wouldn't be able to tell us who did it or the perpetrators would be declared classified information. Congress would "investigate" it with a great deal of pontificating on both sides which would end with no conclusions as to what we should do. Corporations would decide that Japan was probably going to win the war so they'd start moving factories there.

i think this is absurd.
huge difference between an attack by a country and it's military against another, and an attack from a mob flying no flags in a foreign country filled with unrest.


and this was not the intent of this thread. too bad it's getting muddied up.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by cal828

If it happened today, the CIA wouldn't be able to tell us who did it or the perpetrators would be declared classified information. Congress would "investigate" it with a great deal of pontificating on both sides which would end with no conclusions as to what we should do. Corporations would decide that Japan was probably going to win the war so they'd start moving factories there.

What won't happen if it was today Japan attacked us..We wouldn't invade
Taiwan or some other country like you know who did..

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think this is absurd.
huge difference between an attack by a country and it's military against another, and an attack from a mob flying no flags in a foreign country filled with unrest.


and this was not the intent of this thread. too bad it's getting muddied up.

It's too bad we live in a day and age when we feel we have to bribe our enemies not to attack.

Maybe if we gave government handouts to bullies in school we could put the end to bullying all together.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

It's too bad we live in a day and age when we feel we have to bribe our enemies not to attack.

Maybe if we gave government handouts to bullies in school we could put the end to bullying all together.

and the absurdity piles on.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

and the absurdity piles on.

If we were attacked by a known nation the skies would be black like a locust plague only with drones and we would bomb the **** out of them. At that point an innoncent civilian would get hurt and Dell will start a thread about Drones KILLING Innocent civilians and how Obama was a WAR criminal for authorizing such an attack. We know the boring ****ing drill.

[cal828]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think this is absurd.
huge difference between an attack by a country and it's military against another, and an attack from a mob flying no flags in a foreign country filled with unrest.


and this was not the intent of this thread. too bad it's getting muddied up.

Good. That was my intent. Not to muddle up, but to be absurd. When you start with a hypothetical, you kind of figure, it's going to be absurd.

[GenuineRisk]

In the interests of moving this thread back to the original intent, here's a link to FDR's "Day that will in infamy" speech (audio and transcript):

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/spee...earlharbor.htm

[Danzig]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor

The attack on Pearl Harbor (called Hawaii Operation or Operation AI[9][10] by the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters (Operation Z in planning)[11] and the Battle of Pearl Harbor[12]) was a surprise military strike conducted by the Imperial Japanese Navy against the United States naval base at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, on the morning of December 7, 1941 (December 8 in Japan). The attack was intended as a preventive action in order to keep the U.S. Pacific Fleet from interfering with military actions the Empire of Japan was planning in Southeast Asia against overseas territories of the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, and the United States.
The base was attacked by 353[13] Japanese fighters, bombers and torpedo planes in two waves, launched from six aircraft carriers.[13] All eight U.S. Navy battleships were damaged, with four being sunk. Of these eight damaged, two were raised, and with four repaired, six battleships returned to service later in the war. The Japanese also sank or damaged three cruisers, three destroyers, an anti-aircraft training ship,[nb 4] and one minelayer. 188 U.S. aircraft were destroyed; 2,402 Americans were killed[15] and 1,282 wounded. Important base installations such as the power station, shipyard, maintenance, and fuel and torpedo storage facilities, as well as the submarine piers and headquarters building (also home of the intelligence section) were not attacked. Japanese losses were light: 29 aircraft and five midget submarines lost, and 65 servicemen killed or wounded. One Japanese sailor was captured.

The attack came as a profound shock to the American people and led directly to the American entry into World War II in both the Pacific and European theaters. The following day (December 8), the United States declared war on Japan. Domestic support for non-interventionism, which had been strong,[16] disappeared. Clandestine support of Britain (for example the Neutrality Patrol) was replaced by active alliance. Subsequent operations by the U.S. prompted Germany and Italy to declare war on the U.S. on December 11, which was reciprocated by the U.S. the same day.

There were numerous historical precedents for unannounced military action by Japan. However, the lack of any formal warning, particularly while negotiations were still apparently ongoing, led President Franklin D. Roosevelt to proclaim December 7, 1941, "a date which will live in infamy".

two huge mistakes made, one by japan, one by germany.

japan intended to keep us out of the pacific while it took over territories, but they failed to take into account just how quickly we could repair or replace the ships that were hit (they also failed to find and destroy the entire fleet).
the other mistake was germany declaring war on us a couple days later. it was one of many mistakes (not destroying the french and british at dunkirk, invading the soviet union, not finishing off the british, thus leaving the u.k. as a staging point for our invasion at normandy, etc, etc) made by hitler, whose blundering was a larger detriment to his military than their opponents would prove to be.