Hunters Are Awesome

[Rupert Pupkin]

The hunter who killed the world's most famous wolf must be so proud of himself. There is something wrong with our laws when it is legal for some scumbag to murder a wolf, just for kicks.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...192609281.html

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The hunter who killed the world's most famous wolf must be so proud of himself. There is something wrong with our laws when it is legal for some scumbag to murder a wolf, just for kicks.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...192609281.html

Was the wolf shot illegally?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

Was the wolf shot illegally?

nope.

and 'murdered'?! murdered.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

nope.

and 'murdered'?! murdered.

Nothing like people SHOVING their beliefs down your throat AND painting an entire group of people (hunters) with a broad brush.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

nope.

and 'murdered'?! murdered.

I cried

[GenuineRisk]

Well, according to the article, there were an estimated 1700 wolves in the Rocky Mountain area, and since opening them up to being shot, hunters have already killed over 250 of them. At this rate, it's not likely to be an issue for very long. The good people of Montana, Idaho and Wyoming will have killed them all in four years or so.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by jms62

Was the wolf shot illegally?

No, she wasn't shot illegally. That was part of the point. Why should it would be legal for someone to shoot a wolf, just for fun?

The other thing that is so amazing is that anyone would want to kill an animal for fun. If someone hunts and they are going to eat what they kill, that is one thing.

With regard to your assertion that I was shoving my beliefs down your throat, this has nothing to do with beliefs, any more than if I said that a guy was a bad guy who murdered a little girl. Both things are no-brainers. There is no justification for either act. I'm not saying anything controversial. What possible justification could there be for killing (or murdering or whatever you want to call it) a beautiful animal for fun? Just because it is legal, that doesn't make it moral. In some muslim countries, they behead people for converting to other religions. Since it's legal, does that make it ok?

I am strongly against governments beheading people for leaving Islam. Since I strongly condemn that, would that be another example of me shoving my opinion down your throat?

[Sightseek]

So many animal species we've lost or nearly lost because someone needed a trophy on their wall.

It is so very unfortunate that they have lost their protection.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

nope.

and 'murdered'?! murdered.

Just because it's an animal, it's not murder? If I shot a person for fun, it would be murder.

If I shot a person for fun but did it in a way so that it was legal (such as pretending that it was self-defense), would that be murder?

Why do you think it's alright to kill an animal for fun? I know you don't think it's alright to kill a person for fun. Is it just a matter of you thinking that animals have no rights? In other words, since they are only animals and we are humans (and we are superior), we should be able to kill them for fun?

[Danzig]

Yes, thats right. Killing an animal isnt murder, which is defined as a person killing another person. I dont think one should kill for fun, but i also dont thnik that an animal killing rises to the level of murder.
Hell, the cowboy who drove drunk and wrecked, causing the death of his friend wasnt even charged with murder, but with manslaughter.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Yes, thats right. Killing an animal isnt murder, which is defined as a person killing another person. I dont think one should kill for fun, but i also dont thnik that an animal killing rises to the level of murder.
Hell, the cowboy who drove drunk and wrecked, causing the death of his friend wasnt even charged with murder, but with manslaughter.

The guy on the Cowboys didn't do it intentionally. When it's an accident, I usually wouldn't consider it "murder".

With regard to killing an animal for fun, I know it's not considered murder in a legal sense. I know a person can't get charged with murder for killing an animal. However, I still think it's appropriate to call it "murder". If I had a dog and some guy poisoned my dog or shot my dog, is there really a big difference whether I use the word "killed" my dog vs "murdered" my dog? I think both words pretty much have the same meaning to most people.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The guy on the Cowboys didn't do it intentionally. When it's an accident, I usually wouldn't consider it "murder".

With regard to killing an animal for fun, I know it's not considered murder in a legal sense. I know a person can't get charged with murder for killing an animal. However, I still think it's appropriate to call it "murder". If I had a dog and some guy poisoned my dog or shot my dog, is there really a big difference whether I use the word "killed" my dog vs "murdered" my dog? I think both words pretty much have the same meaning to most people.

the fact it was a dui tends to make it rather less than accidental.

i ate shrimp for dinner; does that mean i'm an accessory to murder? the wolf was killed legally-it's not murder. it's not a human, no law was broken.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

No, she wasn't shot illegally. That was part of the point. Why it would be legal for someone to shoot a wolf, just for fun?

The other thing that is so amazing is that anyone would want to kill an animal for fun. If someone hunts and they are going to eat what they kill, that is one thing.

With regard to your assertion that I was shoving my beliefs down your throat, this has nothing to do with beliefs, any more than if I said that a guy was a bad guy who murdered a little girl. Both things are no-brainers. There is no justification for either act. I'm not saying anything controversial. What possible justification could there be for killing (or murdering or whatever you want to call it) a beautiful animal for fun? Just because it is legal, that doesn't make it moral. In some muslim countries, they behead people for converting to other religions. Since it's legal, does that make it ok?

I am strongly against governments beheading people for leaving Islam. Since I strongly condemn that, would that be another example of me shoving my opinion down your throat?

Hunting is perfectly legal and you are most certainly shoving your beliefs down our throat. You putting it on the same par as beheading is beyond laughable and is a new level of absurd even for you.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by jms62

Hunting is perfectly legal and you are most certainly shoving your beliefs down our throat. You putting it on the same par as beheading is beyond laughable and is a new level of absurd even for you.

I never said it's the same as beheading people. I was giving you an analogy. I was simply saying it is perfectly legal to behead people for leaving Islam in some muslim countries. Who cares whether it is legal or not. Is the legality what you rely on to decide whether something is moral?

As I said, there is no possible justification for killing a wolf, just for fun. How can you defend it on any level? Maybe I'm missing something. Tell me what I'm missing. If you have a good argument explaining why there is nothing wrong with shooting a wolf for laughs, I'd love to hear it.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

It is perfectly legal to behead people for leaving Islam in some muslim countries. Who cares whether it legal or not. Is the legality what you rely on to decide whether something is moral?

As I said, there is no possible justification for killing a wolf, just for fun. How can you defend it on any level? Maybe I'm missing something. Tell me what I'm missing. If you have a good argument explaining why there is nothing wrong with shooting a wolf for laughs, I'd love to hear it.

Rupert, I think you are labeling all hunters as rednecks, which they are not.

Rednecks are all rednecks. Hunters are not.

It's the redneck that likes to kill for kicks.

[Calzone Lord]

Few things are more disturbing than walking into a house full of "trophies" of dead animals.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I never said it's the same as beheading people. I was giving you an analogy. I was simply saying it is perfectly legal to behead people for leaving Islam in some muslim countries. Who cares whether it is legal or not. Is the legality what you rely on to decide whether something is moral?

As I said, there is no possible justification for killing a wolf, just for fun. How can you defend it on any level? Maybe I'm missing something. Tell me what I'm missing. If you have a good argument explaining why there is nothing wrong with shooting a wolf for laughs, I'd love to hear it.

Isnt that exactly what an analogy is? The justification is they are partcipating in a legal activity and dont need to justify anything to you or anyone. An activity that has been around since man has been able to stand erect and walk. And saying they do it for "laughs" is demeaning. Saying they are "murderers" is demeaning and patently absurd to the tenth degree. Again jamming your values down our throat but of course AS ALWAYS, you will do that and then post that you were not doing it. Do racing fans need to justify what they do because after all because animals sometimes die during this sport? Is fishing also murder? I trapped a mouse in my attic am I now a confessed murderer? Should the government ban hunting? If you say yes then you have wildly hypocritical views for such a conserative, less government UNLESS it is something You want more government for. Sadly typical of your ilk.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Few things are more disturbing than walking into a house full of "trophies" of dead animals.

mentioned to someone that we had a black fox squirrel living in our yard. he said 'you ought to shoot it'. i asked why? so that i could have it mounted, so i could see it. i said 'but i can see it now, in my yard'.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

Isnt that exactly what an analogy is? The justification is they are partcipating in a legal activity and dont need to justify anything to you or anyone. An activity that has been around since man has been able to stand erect and walk. And saying they do it for "laughs" is demeaning. Saying they are "murderers" is demeaning and patently absurd to the tenth degree. Again jamming your values down our throat but of course AS ALWAYS, you will do that and then post that you were not doing it. Do racing fans need to justify what they do because after all because animals sometimes die during this sport? Is fishing also murder? I trapped a mouse in my attic am I now a confessed murderer? Should the government ban hunting? If you say yes then you have wildly hypocritical views for such a conserative, less government UNLESS it is something You want more government for. Sadly typical of your ilk.

seems that people in that area wanted wolf hunting so as to protect their flocks, their herds. yeah, it's all 'just for fun'. no other reason then for kicks.

and if you had fun trapping that mouse, you're no better than ted bundy.

[herkhorse]

Humans are the dumbest animals on the planet, it's not even close.