nsa whistleblower e snowden

[Danzig]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/s...204241311.html


i wonder how far all this will go? hopefully to the point that the patriot act is repealed.
it needs to join the dustheap that contains the alien and sedition act.

also, there is a white house petition that's calling for the repeal of the patriot act, please go and sign it. if enough signatures are received, it will receive white house attention. perhaps more importantly, it needs enough signatures to get media attention.
and i will be contacting all my congressmen and women to ask for repeal.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/s...204241311.html


i wonder how far all this will go? hopefully to the point that the patriot act is repealed.
it needs to join the dustheap that contains the alien and sedition act.

also, there is a white house petition that's calling for the repeal of the patriot act, please go and sign it. if enough signatures are received, it will receive white house attention. perhaps more importantly, it needs enough signatures to get media attention.
and i will be contacting all my congressmen and women to ask for repeal.

I'm just waiting for this to degenerate down to the typical false Right - Left paradigm.
You know - "well, it would be worser if the Republicans were in charge" or "See, I told you Obama is a Fascist" all the while ignoring the fact that there is no difference between either of them.

How pray tell, would they (Republicans AND Democrats) ever give up the control they empowered themselves with by repealing the "Patriot" Act?

When you see Barbara Feinstein(D) and Mike Rogers(R) arm in arm on ABC's This Week, extolling the virtues of PRISM, you know that it ain't going nowhere.

Because someone signed an online petition? Does anyone with a brain in their head not believe that these *petitions* are nothing but self signed, anti-govt confessions? you want to get on their terrorist list? Easy - sign a petition to repeat PRISM and the Patriot Act.

Sheep don't care; as long as they aren't doing anything wrong, why should they care that the govt can spy on them?

I just enjoy being told how I "threw away my vote" by voting for the Libertarian party, which would have abolished all of this nonsense day 1, but I digress.

[GenuineRisk]

From the article:

<"Snowden said he decided to leave his family, girlfriend and a comfortable, $200,000-a-year salary behind, and flew to Hong Kong on May 20. He said he chose China because "they have a spirited commitment to free speech and the right of political dissent.">

Saywhatcomeagain?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

From the article:

<"Snowden said he decided to leave his family, girlfriend and a comfortable, $200,000-a-year salary behind, and flew to Hong Kong on May 20. He said he chose China because "they have a spirited commitment to free speech and the right of political dissent.">

Saywhatcomeagain?

That's pretty funny, but considering he is dependant upon China not extraditing him, may not have been a bad idea.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by GBBob

That's pretty funny, but considering he is dependant upon China not extraditing him, may not have been a bad idea.

Excellent point. I guess the number of nations not afraid to refuse to extradite to the US is probably pretty small.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

From the article:

<"Snowden said he decided to leave his family, girlfriend and a comfortable, $200,000-a-year salary behind, and flew to Hong Kong on May 20. He said he chose China because "they have a spirited commitment to free speech and the right of political dissent.">

Saywhatcomeagain?

er....yeah

[dellinger63]

Let's first worry about that smarmy treasonous Bradley Manning as a president for what this non-military piece of shiat is facing?

Not sure the piece of shiat that was the private contractor can be held to the same standards as a sworn in military person?

[dellinger63]

But I'm good with firing squad for Manning for sure.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Let's first worry about that smarmy treasonous Bradley Manning as a president for what this non-military piece of shiat is facing?

Not sure the piece of shiat that was the private contractor can be held to the same standards as a sworn in military person?

Bradley Manning as a president? You've outdone yourself yet again.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Let's first worry about that smarmy treasonous Bradley Manning as a president for what this non-military piece of shiat is facing?

Not sure the piece of shiat that was the private contractor can be held to the same standards as a sworn in military person?

so, it's your assertion that snowden is a 'piece of shiat'?!

'At the same time, legal experts saw differences between the two cases, namely that Manning's secret-spilling was more scattershot, while Snowden appeared more selective.

"I'm not awarding him the Presidential Medal of Freedom here," Eugene R. Fidell, who teaches military law at Yale Law School, said of Snowden. "I'm just saying you could say it is something more akin to educating the American public about sensitive surveillance issues that have some level of First Amendment concern attached to them."'

i am glad that snowden let the public know, by going to the post, about what was going on. he didn't turn over a bunch of classified info, he just let out that the phone records were being checked en masse. and i'm glad he did so.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Bradley Manning as a president? You've outdone yourself yet again.

lol

president, precedent...what's the difference?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol

president, precedent...what's the difference?

Five tall blondes, ie Miller Genuine Drafts

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Five tall blondes, ie Miller Genuine Drafts

Drinkin on a Monday ? Not a good sign, just sayin.

[GenuineRisk]

From one of the Balloon-juice front-pagers, soonergrunt, who is a veteran (three guesses as to where he lives. ):

<Most of the recent revelations’ good AND bad regarding our government’s covert activities’ legal or not, good or bad, have come to us via “impure vessels.”

Bradley Manning isn’t anyone’s idea of a good Soldier. This other guy has some issues too, or so it seems. The conduits through which these men choose to act are themselves less than ideal. Julian Assange is a con man who strung his most lucrative source along for months and then left him high and dry, not even willing to make good on his half-assed pledge to donate money for PART of Manning’s defense fund. Greenwald is a prickly sanctimonious blow-hard frequently more dedicated to self-promotion than the accuracy of his work.

In other words, they are imperfect vessels. And while it is right to look at their specific claims with a healthy dose of skepticism, let’s not lose sight of the fact that these men have brought up subjects that we should be discussing. This **** is important, as my dad would say.

A lot of important things we take for granted came about because of imperfect vessels. I’m pretty sure no one would give up the right to be informed of the charges against them, and their rights at arrest, even though Miranda was a violent psychopath. I doubt Clarence Gideon would make many short lists for dinner invitations, but I’m damn glad for the protections that came from his case.

So let’s have those discussions, and not in Mitt Romney’s quiet rooms out in the open, loudly and honestly, the way Americans are supposed to do. Manning, by his own admission, should be in jail. So should this other guy, probably. But like Gideon and Miranda, the rest of us do owe them a debt of sorts, and we would do well to remember that.>>

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2013/06...lic-discourse/

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

Drinkin on a Monday ? Not a good sign, just sayin.

Monday is my Sunday, golf courses are far less crowded and I always have a few while playin. Thanks for your concern though.

[Danzig]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/i...164742798.html


i'd recommend watching the video first, before reading the article. always interesting to see someone lie, under oath, to congress. the article is just the esteemed mr. clapper trying to explain how he was just being as ably untruthful as possible....

ah, what a tangled web......

[dellinger63]

What's the delay in indicting Snowden?

Or did Washington not get the news or not believe his admission and we are still looking for the source of the leak? Perhaps Holder is busy investigating himself?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/i...164742798.html

ah, what a tangled web......

Per MSNBC

President Obama made the official announcement on June 5, 2010 saying Clapper "possesses a quality that I value in all my advisers: a willingness to tell leaders what we need to know even if it's not what we want to hear."

Susan Rice seems to have that same quality the President looks for and come to think of it so does Jay Carney.

[Danzig]

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news...s-records?lite

The FBI has dramatically increased its use of a controversial provision of the Patriot Act to secretly obtain a vast store of business records of U.S. citizens under President Barack Obama, according to recent Justice Department reports to Congress. The bureau filed 212 requests for such data to a national security court last year – a 1,000-percent increase from the number of such requests four years earlier, the reports show.

“Most people who followed this closely were not aware they were doing this. We’ve gone from producing records for a particular investigation to the production of all records for a massive pre-collection database. It’s incredibly sweeping.”

In contrast to standard grand jury subpoenas, material obtained under both Section 215 orders and national security letters must be turned over under so-called “gag orders” that forbid the business or institution that receives the order from notifying its customers or publicly referring to the matter.

From the earliest days of the Patriot Act, Section 215 was among the most hotly disputed of its provisions. Critics charged the language – “tangible things” -- was so broad that it would even permit the FBI to obtain library and bookstore records to inspect what citizens were reading.



“There should be no room for secret law,” said Jameel Jaffer, the ACLU’s deputy legal director, adding that disclosure of the FISC rulings is essential if the debate Obama called for is to take place. “The public has a right to know what limits apply to the government’s surveillance authority, and what safeguards are in place to protect individual privacy.”



i agree.


and obama says he 'welcomes the debate'. yeah, me too. only thing is, when will he be available to debate this??


now, not to make light of 9/11 by any means....but more people die in a month from car wrecks in this country than have died in the last 12 years, including 9/11, from terrorist attacks. do we really want to have secret courts, secret orders, no public info on subpoenas, changes to amendments in the constitution, sweeping new govt powers, all of which is supposedly to 'make us safer'?! safer from whom???
those who say 'well, if you have nothing to hide...'. define nothing. who decides what's nefarious? how far will this go? drones killing u.s. citizens??? oh, wait, that's already happened-to hell with due process, right?

[Danzig]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...sugc_container

Is Edward Snowden a hero or traitor?

The Post's Dana Milbank thinks the U.S. government has no one to blame but itself:

It is precisely their effort to hide such a vast and consequential program from the American public that caused this pressure valve to burst. Instead of allowing a democratic debate about the programs in broad terms that would not have compromised national security, their attempts to keep the public in the dark have created a backlash in which the risks to national security can’t be controlled.

Snowden, Milbank adds, "did the honorable thing in revealing his identity; it would be more honorable if he would turn himself in and face the consequences for his law-breaking. But there is little honor in the way administration officials and lawmakers have avoided responsibility."
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