The biggest Breeders Cup question mark

[Calzone Lord]

Point of Entry in the Turf.

I'm befuddled in regard to what to do with him.

[pweizer]

No matter what, he has to be an underlay, right?

Paul

[zippyneedsawin]

While I've been a big fan of his, I'm going against him here. Its a lot to ask off such a long layoff and injury.

[Thunder Gulch]

How about Secret Circle? I guess he's easier to toss off for so long, but he ran a time nearly fast enough to win this at Santa Anita as a 2yo, then fires big off the layoff. At the start of his career he broke his maiden first out, then validated with two more improving figures (101-106-110 Timeform). He's close off last, and any improvement makes him as fast as any here.

[geeker2]

In Shug we Trust. .........

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Point of Entry in the Turf.

I'm befuddled in regard to what to do with him.

How can he realistically be expected to beat The Fugue?

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

How can he realistically be expected to beat The Fugue?

Point of Entry is currently between 7-2 and 9-2 on UK books, but pools are surely quite small. Still,POE has been the biggest mover in last day, going from a best priced 6-1 into 9-2 best price.

As for The Fugue, she might be very good, but has absolutely positively had beyond perfect trips in her two most recent wins. If she gets over the top in the BC, I think she needs an outer draw to remain free and clear, which is what has happened in her last two.

[asudevil]

Is a mile and a half too far for Real Solution?

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

How can he realistically be expected to beat The Fugue?

On his form, as if the injury/setback never happened, I'd be certain he'd beat The Fugue.

That's not living in the real world, though.

I know the Europeans at Timeform like The Fugue in the Turf, I don't know though. Hard to imagine the same The Fugue we saw last year has improved to the point where she's worth betting to win the BC Turf.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

On his form, as if the injury/setback never happened, I'd be certain he'd beat The Fugue.

That's not living in the real world, though.

I know the Europeans at Timeform like The Fugue in the Turf, I don't know though. Hard to imagine the same The Fugue we saw last year has improved to the point where she's worth betting to win the BC Turf.

Would they run POE here if they did not feel he was as good as ever??

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Would they run POE here if they did not feel he was as good as ever??

Thank you, Joey. That solves it.

[Danzig]

dammittohell

love point of entry. but i think all things considered you'd be better off putting your money elsewhere. the layoff, the injury aren't necessarily crushers. rht...welll, it's just one thing too many.

[zippyneedsawin]

I'm sure POE is medically fine for the race. We know Shug wouldn't run him otherwise. That doesn't mean he'll be in peak form/condition either. I think the reality is that his connections realize this is likely his last chance to win a BC race and possible Eclipse title so they are taking a shot knowing he's physically fine to race.

[Patrick333]

Originally Posted by geeker2

In Shug we Trust. .........

He's the man.

[my miss storm cat]

I love The Fugue... huge fan, she's a terrific horse BUT even though a horse like Grandeur is a bit of a question mark here I can't discount him. It's dangerous to dismiss the other Euros too quickly.

In my heart of hearts I think LIttle Mike repeats and that, no matter how good she is, she is no single.

[Travis Stone]

If it was anyone but Shug and company, I think the odds might offset some of the obvious negatives. But given that it is Shug and company, I can't help but think he's ultimately an underlay come post time. I'll fade him, maybe a minor use defensively in multi's.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by pweizer

No matter what, he has to be an underlay, right?

Paul

This

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Thank you, Joey. That solves it.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

If it was anyone but Shug and company, I think the odds might offset some of the obvious negatives. But given that it is Shug and company, I can't help but think he's ultimately an underlay come post time. I'll fade him, maybe a minor use defensively in multi's.

I'll use him defensively as well if at all... Probably a little.

[Indian Charlie]

I have not heard good things about POE.